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Good price for Nordiska? #167227
10/17/06 07:23 PM
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Hi Everyone,
Long time reader, first time poster on this forum. I've been using the forum for a few months now and finally decided to register just a few days ago.

Anyhow, I'm shopping for a new grand piano for my family and I. We were looking at the Nordiska 5'5", 6'1", and maybe even possibly the 7' grand in ebony polish with spade legs.

We were able to negotiate the 5'5" to $7700, the 6'1" to $9000, and was quoted(haven't negotiate yet) the 7' for $12000. According to the 2006-2007 Annual Supplement guide , the list price are $9580(5'5"), $11380(6'6"), $19980(7').

From these prices, I can see that the 7' has almost a 40% drop in price and the 6'1" only has about 20% drop. Taking this into considering, I was expecting to receive somewhere around 30-35% off from the 6'1" grand.

Is this realistic?

Thanks!

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Re: Good price for Nordiska? #167228
10/18/06 08:54 AM
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The list prices you mention seem to be consistent with those shown on the piano blue-book page at:

http://www.bluebookofpianos.com/nordiska.htm

Only thing that makes me wonder are the msrp prices shown on the importer's site which seem to be a bit higher:

http://www.geneva-intl.com/Nordiska/nordiskagrandss.htm

Not sure what to make of that. The importer suggesting a retail price above list? Or perhaps a price change not reflected on the blue book site yet? I'll ask the next time I swing by that store.

Whichever is the right price, I suspect that the discount you can swing will depend alot on supply and demand in your area. My sense is that the 6 foot model is the biggest mover while the 7 footer is in the shortest supply... the store near me only typically has one 7-footer at any given moment and it never seems to go more than a month before being snapped up. More often than not the floor model is sold awaiting prep and someone else puts down a deposit to get dibs on the next one before it even arrives. So I suspect you might be over optimistic on a 40% discount on that. I sometimes see more than one 6-footer and often multiple 5.5-footers on the floor at a time so you might have better luck negotiating for one of those.

Howard

Re: Good price for Nordiska? #167229
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The MSRPs on the website are total fiction. Fine's pricing is accurate, in my experience. I was offered a 5'5" locally for about the same price the OP posted without negotiation. The dealer simply said, I can sell you a black one for $7900 or I can order you a different color for a little more. Of course, I also got the sales talk about how they were a high end piano at a bargain price with Abel hammers, maple rim, and sand cast plate. It was a pretty nice piano, and if I hadn't been offered an unbelievably low price on my Kawai, I'd have bought it, I think. The only drawback I found in the Nordiska was a slightly weak bass. The treble was outstanding, and the action was, IMHO, quite nice.

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Re: Good price for Nordiska? #167230
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How much did your kawai cost you, Dennis? Was it also 5'5?


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Sid, I hesitate to say how much I paid since I bought from a dealer in bankruptcy proceedings. I do not think my price can be duplicated under normal circumstances.

Having said that, I paid $10,700 including delivery. The piano lists for $16,990, so a more normal price would be 20-25% off that.

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Re: Good price for Nordiska? #167232
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Oh, I failed to answer your other question. Yes, my piano is also 5'5".

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Re: Good price for Nordiska? #167233
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Thanks, Dennis,

BTW, did you try the RX-2 5'10 (or the nordiska 5'10 or 6'1 equivalent) in your shopping and if so how did they compare?

I'm not in any great hurry, I can't believe I'm seriously considering blowing 10K on a grand just barely a month after getting my first digital laugh Thanks again for the information.


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Originally posted by TX-Dennis:

The MSRPs on the website are total fiction. Fine's pricing is accurate, in my experience.
In my view, Fine's pricing is "fiction" too. Except for Steinway (where most price lists get those right anyway), virtually no one ever pays a price printed by Fine. So Fine's pricing is "fiction" as well.

When you see a printed price and not know whether you can negotiate a 15% or a 40% discount, that printed price is "fiction."

My cut-off for "non-fiction" is a printed price with less than 5% wiggle room -- a high standard set by Steinway. wink

Re: Good price for Nordiska? #167235
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Originally posted by Pianolize:

We were able to negotiate the 5'5" to $7700, the 6'1" to $9000, and was quoted(haven't negotiate yet) the 7' for $12000. According to the 2006-2007 Annual Supplement guide , the list price are $9580(5'5"), $11380(6'6"), $19980(7').
Those numbers look "reasonable" to me. I don't think you've been taken to the cleaner. Good luck.

Re: Good price for Nordiska? #167236
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In defense of Mr. Fine, he clearly states that his MSRP's are given to him by the manufacturers. However, in instances where I have been privy to the wholesale prices, I have to agree that the listed wholesale prices are, at best, 'overly optimistic' and at worst sham prices. I have seen some imported pianos routinely selling at less than half of the Piano Book's MSRP (their MSRP representing an approximately 130% mark-up over the wholesale price).

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Originally posted by w_scott@verizon.net:

In defense of Mr. Fine, he clearly states that his MSRP's are given to him by the manufacturers. However, in instances where I have been privy to the wholesale prices, I have to agree that the listed wholesale prices are, at best, 'overly optimistic' and at worst sham prices. I have seen some imported pianos routinely selling at less than half of the Piano Book's MSRP (their MSRP representing an approximately 130% mark-up over the wholesale price).
Not blaming Mr. Fine at all. Piano pricing... it's a mess anyway you look at it. frown

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It (piano pricing) sure is a mess. So far as I'm concerned, there really is no such thing as an MSRP for most pianos. I'll bet Mr. Fine had to pull teeth to get manufacturer's to commit to specific retail prices. An individual is rarely able to get a specific MSRP from an manufacturer. And to a certain degree, MSRP's are less meaningful in pianos where two identical models can be vastly different and where one dealer tweaks every bit of performance out of a piano and another sells it 'right off the boat'! We at least can judge a piano on it's merits, but for non-players, it must seem overwhelming...

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Originally posted by sid:
Thanks, Dennis,

BTW, did you try the RX-2 5'10 (or the nordiska 5'10 or 6'1 equivalent) in your shopping and if so how did they compare?

I'm not in any great hurry, I can't believe I'm seriously considering blowing 10K on a grand just barely a month after getting my first digital laugh Thanks again for the information.
I played an RX2. It is a very nice instrument. At the time the lowest price I could negotiate on the RX2 was $6000 higher than the GE-30 that I bought. The touch is virtually identical, and the RX2 gets a slight nod in tone. There was definitely not enough difference to make me pay $6000 more for the RX2. I did not play any larger Nordiskas since the local dealer had none in stock larger than the 5-5. The only larger new pianos locally were the RX2, a 5-9 Baldwin Howard, and Yamahas. Evidently larger pianos don't sell very well here. The Baldwin/Yamaha/Petrof/Nordiska dealer did have a couple of larger used pianos, but nothing new.

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Re: Good price for Nordiska? #167240
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I noticed that Nordiska changed the model numbers (names) on their line of pianos. I purchased a 185I last year, but just sold it with my house... and I am back in the market for a piano.

If I recall, last year they had the regular line and they were starting to introduce a "Master Series" which had "better" components.

Their website this year has all the pianos listed as "Master Series" pianos. The 185I is now the "Model K, Style I." As mentioned earlier in this thread, the MSRPs that are on their site are much higher than those on Blue Book.

Is anyone aware of any changes to the pianos from the old naming convention to the new convention? Are they all in fact using "better" components? Can a Model K, Style I still be had for ~$9k?

Thanks.

Re: Good price for Nordiska? #167241
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Can a Model K, Style I still be had for ~$9k?
Yeap. 6'1" for $9K with free shipping and one tuning. Tax is extra. Thia is for the EP with spade legs.

Right now, I'm debating between a Suzuki 6'2" $8299.99 at Costco or the Nordiska. This price includes an adjustable bench and some other little features. Costco's customer service is great and bought tons of stuff from them every year. Wish they only increase the cash back to $2000 instead of the current $500. smile

Anyhow, I've been reading up on the past threads on Suzuki and some are great and most are not.

Well, I'm off to my local Costco in a few minutes. There's a road show for the piano and I want to check it out and see which dealer is there at Costco's store and what special promo they may have.


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