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Roland FP4F
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Hi,

Is this piano any good? I used to own the standard FP4 and that was a nice piano I must admit, the only complaint I would have is the lighter than normal keyboard action, alpha something or other it was called. I was wondering if the new ivory-G keyboard is just as light or heavier and more responsive? Also are the onboard speakers loud enough for gigging at venues like weddings and restaurants etc.. without need for external amps?

I currently own the HP307 by Roland

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Hi mwf,

The FP4F is only just making its way into stores, so it's unlikely many people would have seen it physically. I'm hoping to go see it this weekend - I'll report back if I do!

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theJourney, thank you for your recent very detailed and nice comments...


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I had high hopes for the FP4F and wasn't impressed. The onboard speakers just don't do anything for me - the FP7F sounds way, way, better. Action was also not that great.

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Thanks for reporting back! Still no sign of any here.

I would be very surprised to see on an instrument with an action and speakers that are designed primarily to be portable and lower cost that they would be as good as those on an instrument not designed to be as cheap and portable. That is kind of the idea (just as it was on the old FP4 versus FP7).

Could you describe the difference in feel between the Ivory Feel-G on the FP4-F and the Ivory Feel-S on the FP-F?
Is it much lighter to play? Less responsive?

I am thinking that you would have to have a bad back or be gigging every week for the difference in cost and difference in action quality to make up for the difference in size and weight. But then again, bringing an FP-7F on board an airplane as carryon or non-penalized luggage is an impossibility where there are numerous stories of people getting their FP-4 on board even as carryon. And, if you are only playing the board outside occasionally, I guess having a lesser action would not be a big deal. A bigger deal would be not being able to get it where you need it to be.

Anyone else have any luck playing one of these?

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theJourney #1674352 05/09/11 11:33 AM
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Of course, I didn't expect the 4F to sound as good as the 7F - but I was surprised by the differential.

I can't comment too much on the actions (they were at different heights) but they 7F felt better - slightly more weighty I think.

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I can comment on the actions between the PHA II Alpha keys inside the FP-4/RD-300GX and the Ivory Feel-G keys on the FP-4F/RD-300NX since I owned the 300GX and played the 300NX. To sum it up in 3 words...much much better. The Ivory Feel-G keys/action are the single biggest improvement to me between the FP-4/RD-300GX and their newest versions. I didn't like the PHA II Alpha keys at all really, but I'd love to stick the Ivory Feel-G keys in my NP88. cool Much better feel, much more control, and much less spongy feeling than the PHA II Alpha keys.


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I have one and I find the new action is too stiff. I hate it and think I am going to return it. It's like a piano with massive friction in its action.

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Originally Posted by Jazz+
I have one and I find the new action is too stiff. I hate it and think I am going to return it. It's like a piano with massive friction in its action.


I didn't find this to be the case at all. For a lightweight stage piano, the RD-300NX/FP-4F have one of the best actions out. The RD-700NX/FP-7F's PHA III action is a bit 'stiffer' than the Ivory Feel-G action in the 300NX/FP-4F. If you want a lighter 'weighted' Hammer action then look at the NE3HP or the NP88.


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>> I have one and I find the new action is too stiff. I hate it and think I am going to return it. It's like a piano with massive friction in its action.

that's scary.
I tried the 300NX for a few minutes and thought it was great.

I wonder if

- you got a defective unit.
- Or NX is not like FP.
- I didn't try long enough.


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So ... hi, everyone.

I am trying to a get a new digital piano. It will be my first (I don't think you can count the Roland EM-20 I got from my brother).

Anyway, I have played real acoustic upright (and grand) pianos at the Conservatoire, and every DP I checked, I wasn't sold immediately.

Several months ago, I tried the FP4, F110, FP7F, and the Yamaha P155 in a store, but didn't buy anything.
Now I checked them all as well as the FP4F, as it was now available as well (being the very first one to check the instrument).

I was surprised that the keys felt even weightier (in a good way) than the FP7F, but then again, I checked it as brand new, while the 7F is there for a while.

I couldn't really tell the difference between the sounds, compared to the 7F; I still feel that I just don't like the sound. It might be the speakers (but I felt the same for the 7F). I think it doesn't matter what DP with speakers I will buy, though (or I should buy the V-Piano).

The P155 has something...real. The keys are good, which helps; on the other hand, it has this fakish sound too (but I checked with headphones).

I sometimes feel I should just go for the all-in-one F110 and buy EW Pianos, and hook it up on my computer. I believe I will have superior sound to even the 7F that way, but then I'm stuck with using the computer, or using the on board piano sound (which to me, doesn't sound all that bad).

Tough to decide...

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Well, I got my hands on a FP-4F this week.

The keyboard definitely does not feel like the FP-4 and seems to be quite an improvement on it.
However, it is not near as satisfying or seductive to play as the PHA-III in my HP-307 although it is quite expressive.
It feels to be much heavier than the PHA-III and in this respect feels more like my Kawai RX-2, although it is more sluggish.
The dynamic control on the sound does not seem as natural and butter-like as on the PHA-III/HP-307, but the basic sounds are similar and the speakers put out a lot of sound!

All in all it seems like a good deal for a portable instrument with a decent keyboard and great sounds in an all in one package with onboard speakers.

If you don't mind the extra size and weight and won't be moving it around too much and can afford the extra cost, the FP7-F might be a better choice. But for something that is easy to throw in the car and take where you want, this is it.

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Originally Posted by theJourney
Well, I got my hands on a FP-4F this week.

The keyboard definitely does not feel like the FP-4 and seems to be quite an improvement on it.
However, it is not near as satisfying or seductive to play as the PHA-III in my HP-307 although it is quite expressive.
It feels to be much heavier than the PHA-III and in this respect feels more like my Kawai RX-2, although it is more sluggish.
The dynamic control on the sound does not seem as natural and butter-like as on the PHA-III/HP-307, but the basic sounds are similar and the speakers put out a lot of sound!

All in all it seems like a good deal for a portable instrument with a decent keyboard and great sounds in an all in one package with onboard speakers.

If you don't mind the extra size and weight and won't be moving it around too much and can afford the extra cost, the FP7-F might be a better choice. But for something that is easy to throw in the car and take where you want, this is it.


How does the action on your HP-307 compare to the RX-2 grand?


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Much lighter with a more hollow, playing-on-the-side-of-a-cardboard-box feeling, but with the similar satisfying feedback of being able to articulate a lot of what I want when I have my headphones on and the volume turned up.

PHA-III and Supernatural is nice, but the real thing is a lot nicer.

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Originally Posted by theJourney
Well, I got my hands on a FP-4F this week.

The keyboard definitely does not feel like the FP-4 and seems to be quite an improvement on it.
However, it is not near as satisfying or seductive to play as the PHA-III in my HP-307 although it is quite expressive.
It feels to be much heavier than the PHA-III and in this respect feels more like my Kawai RX-2, although it is more sluggish.
The dynamic control on the sound does not seem as natural and butter-like as on the PHA-III/HP-307, but the basic sounds are similar and the speakers put out a lot of sound!

All in all it seems like a good deal for a portable instrument with a decent keyboard and great sounds in an all in one package with onboard speakers.

If you don't mind the extra size and weight and won't be moving it around too much and can afford the extra cost, the FP7-F might be a better choice. But for something that is easy to throw in the car and take where you want, this is it.


Thanks for that theJourney. I'm still waiting for my chance to try one. Sounds quite 'ok' at a distance but, of course, need to check my own impressions. Any one else got some personal feedback?

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Originally Posted by Jazz+
I have one and I find the new action is too stiff. I hate it and think I am going to return it. It's like a piano with massive friction in its action.


Yes, maybe that is what I am interpreting as weight. At times it almost feels like the spring loading one feels in the little Yamaha NP-30s but then stiffer and with the escapement bump.

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Sounds like the Kawai MP6 has these lighter-weight Rolands licked in terms of the action. However, there is a weight premium for the Kawai. So far, what I've heard put me off upgrading my FP4 to one of the new Rolands.


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Originally Posted by voxpops
Sounds like the Kawai MP6 has these lighter-weight Rolands licked in terms of the action. However, there is a weight premium for the Kawai. So far, what I've heard put me off upgrading my FP4 to one of the new Rolands.


I haven't been able to play an MP6 next to an FP-4F, but there are any number of aspects to consider that may or may not be important to the individual user considering trading their FP-4 for a new FP-4F or considering an MP6. First off is that the new FP-4F seems to have less features: the sound effects panel section is gone. Then there are the considerations of whether you like the new action or not (on balance I definitely do compared to the old alpha action). Finally, there are the considerations of practicality and usability:

Weight and Portability
Well, the FP4-F weighs in at 16.6 kg while the MP6 is 21.5 kg, which is half way on its way to weighing as much as the FP-7F, weighing 24 kg, the keyboard of which compares favorably to the huge and hugely heavy MP10.
In practice, when flying and checking a digital piano as luggage, the MP6 with case will always incur an overweight charge (anything over 21kg) where the FP-4F may be able to be checked in without paying this charge of between $125 to $450 each way.

Linear Dimensions and Portability
The linear dimensions of the Roland are also more compact than the Kawai: 1355 x 347 x 181 =1883 for the MP6 and 1342 x 305 x 135 =1782 for the Roland. Both exceed the maximum linear dimensions of 1547 for checked luggage already without their case. However, the Roland is shorter in every dimension and in particular in the most important and constraining dimension: the length of the keyboard. There have been multiple reports of putting FP4s into tight fitting soft gig cases and people sweet talking their way into bringing them on board for free as fragile musical instruments carry-ons. I remember no such stories of people successfully bringing their MP5s on board as carry-on.

Ease and Portability
These are two very different instruments with likely different users. Someone doing solo or pickup gigging for weddings, bar mitzvahs, golden anniversaries and quinceañeras has everything they need already packed within the FP4-F with its speakers on board aimed squarely at the audience. The MP6 on the other hand requires another case with all the other equipment needed from amplifiers to speakers and cables, etc. Not only will that take up another set of hands that a solo player does not have but will also take up another luggage charge.


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Hmm...wouldn't the RD-300NX have been a closer comparison with the MP6?

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