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#1847012 - 02/17/12 09:46 PM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: David Xavi]  
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Sorry for posting to a ten month old thread. But you know the feeling when you have great news to share, but no one you know personally will quite appreciate it? Well, maybe my friends at PIANOWORLD.COM will!

I just started playing this month after I bought a new Roland FP-7F. My goal is to practice 5,000 hours in 5 years (if you're reading this, "Thanks, Jazzwee!"). I started to play sitting on my dreaded old piano bench for hours. Love the playing; hated the sitting.

So I hit up PW and researched threads on benches. Naturally, that led to quite a few threads and recommendations of the Jansen Artist Bench. However, having just purchased the digital piano, a bench like that was out of the question. (I am married.)

Or was it?

I searched Pianosupplies.com first, then eBay, Amazon, and various recommended links. Nuthin' affordable. Then I looked in my local Craigslist. Lo and behold:

A NEW, UNASSEMBLED, STANDARD, VINYL, EBONY, SATIN-FINISHED, J-3 SPADE-LEGGED, JANSEN ARTIST BENCH -- WITH STEINWAY KNOBS -- IN ORIGINAL PACKAGING -- $350 FIRM.

Happy birthday to me -- I bought and assembled it this morning! BEAUTIFUL! (AND it's not stolen!)

(The Roland digital piano stand will have to wait till 2013...)

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#1847164 - 02/18/12 08:48 AM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: David Xavi]  
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Scott,

You lucky son of a gun. I just bought one for over $1k.
Got get it fast!

#1847218 - 02/18/12 11:43 AM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: David Xavi]  
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Wow! I've been looking for a Jansen for years at that price, no luck. I did find a very nice Black adjustable bench but it was not a Jansen. I got it for $40! It looks exactly like a Jansen from a distance but it's not. My piano is mahogany so I'd prefer a Brown bench, I'll keep looking.


I often wonder what could have been.

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#1847530 - 02/18/12 10:17 PM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: David Xavi]  
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When I got my piano pre-restoration there was no bench, and then the rebuilders gave me a leather one for free. I guess I'm super lucky.


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#1847570 - 02/19/12 12:10 AM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: David Xavi]  
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I there some consensus about the benefits of a Jansen bench over lower-priced ones?

#1847654 - 02/19/12 05:51 AM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: David Xavi]  
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I can see artist benches on stage but for every day practice I want back support. I bought an expensive adjustable office chair many years ago and it has served me well. I removed the arm supports since they got in the way of playing.






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#1847689 - 02/19/12 08:35 AM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: MacMacMac]  
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I there some consensus about the benefits of a Jansen bench over lower-priced ones?

Try one

#1847787 - 02/19/12 12:44 PM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: David Xavi]  
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"Try one."

Or, more convincingly, try a cheap one. I stopped the search on my third bench, a Jansen. The stability, the quality of the mechanical action, the comfort, and yes, the look.

The adjustment only changes the bench height by three or four inches. If you don't find that gets you into the right range, you can order a different-height leg. I got a Chinese-made knockoff for only a couple of hundred bucks less, which offered a much greater adjustment range, but when extended high enough it looks like a scissor-lift, accentuated by its skimpy profile (or do I mean footprint). And it's creaky, less stable, and the buttons started popping off the upholstered top... well, there you are.

"...Then I looked in my local Craigslist. Lo and behold:
A NEW, UNASSEMBLED, STANDARD, VINYL, EBONY, SATIN-FINISHED, J-3 SPADE-LEGGED, JANSEN ARTIST BENCH -- WITH STEINWAY KNOBS -- IN ORIGINAL PACKAGING..."


So, what kind of luck is that? A meteorite crashed through the roof and destroyed the Steinway, but luckily spared the Jansen bench? A fire burned down the house and the piano, but the bench was saved? There's surely some backstory to this find of fortune.


Clef

#1847892 - 02/19/12 04:25 PM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: David Xavi]  
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I too had a knockoff bench with a scissors mechanism. Worse than buttons popping off, one of the cheap metal side struts that attach the scissors mechanism to the top broke. I had it welded but it was so thin it broke again.

After messing around with a cheap, creaky, and break-y bench, finally bit the bullet and bought a Jansen. No creaks, mechanism works smoothly, looks great, heavy as a tank, and should last a lifetime. Jansen even sells repair parts for the mechanism, like bearings, but doubt I'll ever wear them out.


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#1847953 - 02/19/12 06:17 PM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: Jeff Clef]  
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Originally Posted by Jeff Clef
"Try one."

Or, more convincingly, try a cheap one. I stopped the search on my third bench, a Jansen. The stability, the quality of the mechanical action, the comfort, and yes, the look.

The adjustment only changes the bench height by three or four inches. If you don't find that gets you into the right range, you can order a different-height leg. I got a Chinese-made knockoff for only a couple of hundred bucks less, which offered a much greater adjustment range, but when extended high enough it looks like a scissor-lift, accentuated by its skimpy profile (or do I mean footprint). And it's creaky, less stable, and the buttons started popping off the upholstered top... well, there you are.

"...Then I looked in my local Craigslist. Lo and behold:
A NEW, UNASSEMBLED, STANDARD, VINYL, EBONY, SATIN-FINISHED, J-3 SPADE-LEGGED, JANSEN ARTIST BENCH -- WITH STEINWAY KNOBS -- IN ORIGINAL PACKAGING..."


So, what kind of luck is that? A meteorite crashed through the roof and destroyed the Steinway, but luckily spared the Jansen bench? A fire burned down the house and the piano, but the bench was saved? There's surely some backstory to this find of fortune.


Jeff, can you tell me what heights the Jansen bench accommodates? In other words, from "x" inches from the floor (to top of bench) to "y" inches ? Is it possible to measure this? I just found out I am sitting a bit low on my non-adjustable ,cheap bench and I'd rather not use soft tiles or pillows or carpet remnants . Thanks for any info!


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#1847981 - 02/19/12 07:03 PM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: David Xavi]  
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18" - 21" with standard legs. If you need more or less height, the bench can be ordered with longer or shorter legs. I have a standard height Jansen purchased from pianosupplies.com (owned by Mr. Piano World). The bench is superb with an amazing mechanism and nice thick high quality vinyl cover. One would be hard pressed to swear it isn't leather.


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#1847992 - 02/19/12 07:17 PM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: David Xavi]  
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Joy, Paul L. Jansen & Sons website
http://www.pljansen.com/index.php
sort of answers your question... I think. They seem to have left some measurements off the Standard Artist's Bench page. There's a contact e-mail and phone, if not. Or,
http://www.pianosupplies.com/
http://www.pianosupplies.com/pianos/JansenArtist.html
should be able to say the information.

What I see is:
"...We offer artist benches in four unique sizes: petite, standard, duet and petite/duet. The height adjustment for the petite, standard and duet size is 18” to 21” with standard length legs (14”)." I see a photo showing nine different leg styles and finishes, but not the leg heights available. My piano store either knew, or called them, and I got the next size longer than standard.

If you can figure this out in advance and order the size leg you want to begin with, you might save some money over what I did: ordering the longer legs (about $90) afterward. Staving off back pain trumped everything else, in my case, and for me the longer leg beat trying to make it work out with ever-treacherous cushions, etc.

My piano tech said he could order the bench for me, but in the event being able to try it for size in the store could be a real advantage.



Clef

#1848662 - 02/20/12 08:34 PM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: Jeff Clef]  
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Originally Posted by Jeff Clef
"Try one."

Or, more convincingly, try a cheap one. I stopped the search on my third bench, a Jansen. The stability, the quality of the mechanical action, the comfort, and yes, the look.

The adjustment only changes the bench height by three or four inches. If you don't find that gets you into the right range, you can order a different-height leg. I got a Chinese-made knockoff for only a couple of hundred bucks less, which offered a much greater adjustment range, but when extended high enough it looks like a scissor-lift, accentuated by its skimpy profile (or do I mean footprint). And it's creaky, less stable, and the buttons started popping off the upholstered top... well, there you are.

"...Then I looked in my local Craigslist. Lo and behold:
A NEW, UNASSEMBLED, STANDARD, VINYL, EBONY, SATIN-FINISHED, J-3 SPADE-LEGGED, JANSEN ARTIST BENCH -- WITH STEINWAY KNOBS -- IN ORIGINAL PACKAGING..."


So, what kind of luck is that? A meteorite crashed through the roof and destroyed the Steinway, but luckily spared the Jansen bench? A fire burned down the house and the piano, but the bench was saved? There's surely some backstory to this find of fortune.


He said it was a gift. But it definitely came with a Steinway piano since there were only Steinway knobs -- not the normal knobs and the Steinway knobs added in addition. It was also in a Steinway box.


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#1849544 - 02/22/12 11:17 AM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: David Xavi]  
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For your amusement! I bought a Baldwin SD10 and two artist benches from a musician in New Orleans after hurricane Katrina. All had been submerged, likely for a couple of days. I paid $500 for the lot, no extra charge for the black mold. I disassembled and sandblasted both mechanisms on the artist benches (one of which was a Janssen) recovered and reassembled both. Both are back in action and working great, all the more amazing considering it was salt water and they were rusted solid initially. I just removed the soundboard from the SD10. All of the case beams have delaminated, but as a restoration project for my retirement it is unparalleled. It will necessitate complete disassembly down to the bare rim one beam at a time.

I rationalized the deal by saying that I bought two artist benches for $500 and the SD10 just sweetened the deal.

#1849553 - 02/22/12 11:36 AM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: David Xavi]  
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Great deal, and a great project to go with it!!

#1850282 - 02/23/12 05:16 PM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: John Pels]  
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Originally Posted by John Pels
For your amusement! I bought a Baldwin SD10 and two artist benches from a musician in New Orleans after hurricane Katrina. All had been submerged, likely for a couple of days. I paid $500 for the lot, no extra charge for the black mold. I disassembled and sandblasted both mechanisms on the artist benches (one of which was a Janssen) recovered and reassembled both. Both are back in action and working great, all the more amazing considering it was salt water and they were rusted solid initially. I just removed the soundboard from the SD10. All of the case beams have delaminated, but as a restoration project for my retirement it is unparalleled. It will necessitate complete disassembly down to the bare rim one beam at a time.

I rationalized the deal by saying that I bought two artist benches for $500 and the SD10 just sweetened the deal.


I would pay $500 NOT to have to do all that work!


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#1850359 - 02/23/12 07:30 PM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: Scott Prell]  
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Originally Posted by Scott Prell
Originally Posted by John Pels
For your amusement! I bought a Baldwin SD10 and two artist benches from a musician in New Orleans after hurricane Katrina. All had been submerged, likely for a couple of days. I paid $500 for the lot, no extra charge for the black mold. I disassembled and sandblasted both mechanisms on the artist benches (one of which was a Janssen) recovered and reassembled both. Both are back in action and working great, all the more amazing considering it was salt water and they were rusted solid initially. I just removed the soundboard from the SD10. All of the case beams have delaminated, but as a restoration project for my retirement it is unparalleled. It will necessitate complete disassembly down to the bare rim one beam at a time.

I rationalized the deal by saying that I bought two artist benches for $500 and the SD10 just sweetened the deal.


I would pay $500 NOT to have to do all that work!


Send it over and I can make that happen! wink

#1885383 - 04/24/12 12:26 AM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: David Xavi]  
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I had to dig up this old post.....so that I can confess......I bought a Jansen bench! I really like it....it's worth the $$$$.


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#1936754 - 08/03/12 06:16 AM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: David Xavi]  
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I would like to buy a Jansen Standard Artist Piano Bench recently. Is it worth to upgrade the upholstery from vinyl to leather for $330? Thanks for your advice!

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"...Is it worth to upgrade the upholstery from vinyl to leather for $330?..."

No. The vinyl is fine, and the bench costs enough as it is. But it might be worth your while to check the leg length and the approx. 3-inch benchtop travel to see if that works for the length of your leg and torso. You can order legs of a different length than those supplied, for about $100.


Clef

#1936821 - 08/03/12 10:27 AM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: David Xavi]  
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Except for the smell of fine leather, I don't find it to be any performance upgrade from the top quality vinyl upholstery that Jansen uses.


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#1936885 - 08/03/12 01:07 PM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: David Xavi]  
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I am glad that this thread just popped up again. It arrived at an appropriate time.

FWIW -----

I just purchased a new bench which was not a Jansen. I already own a Jansen for one of my pianos, and I was considering another, with a gloss mahogany finish, to match another instrument. By chance, while bouncing around eBay, I came upon a sale of the Frederick benches. I know this dealership, it is well respected in our area, and it got me thinking. So, I went to their non-eBay homepage and they were offering the same prices through their site or in their stores. They even had a "best offer" option. Why not try it?

Through the store, you requested a shipping quote, and it was $10.00 less than the flat rate shipping through eBay. I decided to give it a go. I placed the order on Monday and the bench was delivered on Wednesday. I now have it assembled and am very pleased.

Being able to have both brands side-by-side, and upside down, really gave me a chance to make a direct comparison. It's just like shopping for a piano and comparing across different price lines. The Frederick is a good product and is very similar in concept and design as the Jansen. It's like making a comparison between a piano like Charles Walter and an import such as Hailun. Familiar situations occur at PW all of the time.

The Frederick is of very high quality in construction, fit, and finish. It holds its own against the Jansen. I am totally satisfied and don't regret my purchase or decision to give it a try.

OK, here's the bottom line. I am delighted with the product, and even with the added cost of trucking, it came in under $200.00. I think it is a great price for an excellent product.

If you are looking for an artist type bench, it's definitly worth a look.





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#1937053 - 08/03/12 06:59 PM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: David Xavi]  
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With all due respect to everyone on this thread, I haven't heard much here accurate about Cadillacs or Rolls Royces. (Don't mean to be off topic) Cadillacs have entirely different engines than Chevrolet and always have had. Buick recently had an option on the Lucerne which offered a Cadillac Northstar engine. GM has never supplied engines to Rolls Royce, they are well known for their own engines, both automotive and aircraft. Current model Rolls have a 12 cylinder engine made by BMW, who now owns Rolls. GM did produce automatic transmissions and radios that were purchased by Rolls. I hope I didn't step on any feet here, but I'm the car guy. (in the business, with Cads and Rolls' on the lot)
Forgive me for this post, Now let's get back to pianos! (I have a Jansen leather bench, and like it very much)


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With all due respect to everyone on this thread, I haven't heard much here accurate about Cadillacs or Rolls Royces. (Don't mean to be off topic) Cadillacs have entirely different engines than Chevrolet and always have had. Buick recently had an option on the Lucerne which offered a Cadillac Northstar engine. GM has never supplied engines to Rolls Royce, they are well known for their own engines, both automotive and aircraft. Current model Rolls have a 12 cylinder engine made by BMW, who now owns Rolls. GM did produce automatic transmissions and radios that were purchased by Rolls. I hope I didn't step on any feet here, but I'm the car guy. (in the business, with Cads and Rolls' on the lot)
Forgive me for this post, Now let's get back to pianos! (I have a Jansen leather bench, and like it very much)


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I'm a car guy too. Chevy and Caddy HAVE shared the same engine numerous times. GM has supplied engines to RR many years ago. Not a car forum, so I'll stop.

I bought a Jansen bench with vinyl. I love it. My "old" bench squeaked too much. The Jansen bench is sturdy, comfortable and quiet. Now if I only had a place to put my sheet music!


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As it turns out, both Michael and I own Jansen benches and each like them much. As to the car discussion, I have Messaged him, and we will sort this out privately! LOL!


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#1937109 - 08/03/12 10:22 PM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: Minnesota Marty]  
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Originally Posted by Minnesota Marty
...I came upon a sale of the Frederick benches. I know this dealership, it is well respected in our area...


My wife ordered the Frederick Adjustable Piano Chair in February from this same dealership. (At least I think it must be the same place; Frederick doesn't seem to sell through any other retailers.) It hasn't come, and every time we inquire the estimated delivery date was always a few weeks away. We cancelled the order earlier this week, because we felt like we were getting the run-around. Based on your experience, we might try a different bench - would you mind sharing which one you got?


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Originally Posted by Minnesota Marty
...I came upon a sale of the Frederick benches. I know this dealership, it is well respected in our area...


My wife ordered the Frederick Adjustable Piano Chair in February from this same dealership. (At least I think it must be the same place; Frederick doesn't seem to sell through any other retailers.) It hasn't come, and every time we inquire the estimated delivery date was always a few weeks away. We cancelled the order earlier this week, because we felt like we were getting the run-around. Based on your experience, we might try a different bench - would you mind sharing which one you got?


I'd rather be practicing wink
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#1937118 - 08/03/12 10:56 PM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: David Xavi]  
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I'll be honest, I got my Jansen bench from a wealthy widow who died, and I bought her Clavinova with the bench. When I bought the Yamaha grand, I switched benches. Now the clavinaova has the original Yamaha grand bench. There you have it, I have come clean!


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#1937120 - 08/03/12 11:03 PM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: jmcintyre]  
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Hi,

I got the 'single' Adjustable Concert Series Bench. It is the one with the deeply tufted top. You can also get it in a 'duet' size. It is exactly what you would envision as a Jansen Artist Bench. It is available in various finishes.

http://www.jimlaabsmusic.com/piano-...es-tufted-mahogany-polish/prod_6122.html

Sorry about your problems. My transaction was smooth as silk. You might call Troy Laabs directly at the Stevens Point location.


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