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#1667121 - 04/26/11 07:52 PM Jansen Artist Bench  
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Hi everybody,
As you may or may not know, I just bought a new (well technically used) piano. I was looking for a good artist bench and I came across this website that seems to be selling the Jansen artist bench at about 100 dollars cheaper than everybody else?

http://www.mprpiano.com/accessories/6/6.htm

Does anybody know if this is a legitimate seller? Is this the actual Jansen Artist bench?

Thanks.

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#1667126 - 04/26/11 07:59 PM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: David Xavi]  
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My advice is to buy your new bench from this website. Go to www.pianosupplies.com.

Peace of mind is worth a buck or two and Frank is a wonderful and trustworthy man to deal with.

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#1667193 - 04/26/11 11:09 PM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: David Xavi]  
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I got my Jansen piano bench from PianoWorld's website, and I think what you might be seeing as a difference in price is that with PW the shipping (UPS -- 45 lbs)is included. I couldn't find anything on the other website saying that it was included, or not. A Jansen is a Jansen, so you will have your bench forever.

Now, my one piece of advice is GO FOR THE DUET BENCH. You'll never need a NEW bench once you get a Jansen, but you might often wish you'd spent a bit more and bought the duet bench. I bought the duet bench and everyone who uses my piano comments who much they like having the bigger bench.

And, if you really want a special touch, I can fly my cat out to texturize the leather on your bench (like he did mine) once you get it set up. It really adds that little somthing extra to the personalization.


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#1667200 - 04/26/11 11:36 PM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: David Xavi]  
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I found that site when I was looking for a bench too. The guy's not in business anymore. His prices are from when those were the list prices, and I guess he never took the website down.

By the way, the reason that most everyone advertises the same price is that Mr. Jansen, evidently, doesn't allow anyone to advertise a price on a Jansen bench for less than the rate you've seen everywhere else.

I ultimately bought mine from pianosupplies.com.

I LOVE the bench, and would not have wanted the duet bench, because in my opinion, it's just too big, and doesn't look "right," aesthetically. Clearly, that's just a personal choice.


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#1667203 - 04/26/11 11:47 PM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: Jonahan]  
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I LOVE my Jansen solo bench, and this from a guy who thought his butt could be happy with any old wooden bench (of the right height).

One warning about the duet bench: they weigh A TON. If you get one, don't plan to move it much.

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Two benches are better than one duet bench, but then, I have two pianos.


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#1667231 - 04/27/11 01:09 AM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: David Xavi]  
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Well, I guess I'm out-voted, but I will happily keep my Jansen Duet bench (with the cat-customized perforations). I play duets fairly frequently, and it really is nice to have the extra real estate. Plus, if you have a cat or dog that wants to sit with you (which my cat does) then they have their place, and I have mine. For a hundred or so extra bucks, it's really nice. It does weigh a ton! But I put sliders on the bottom of the legs and it sits on a wooden floor, so I don't have to struggle with it at all to adjust the position forwards or backwards. I might be singing a different tune about the weight if I were trying to move it on carpet.

Either way, you'll love your Jansen Artist bench.

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#1667328 - 04/27/11 07:55 AM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: David Xavi]  
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+1 on the Jansen solo bench. I bought one of the cheaper Chinese-made ones off ebay, and had to sell it because it wasn't very comfortable. Bought a Jansen and I'm set for life. Personally I don't care for the look of the duet benches, but I suppose if you're playing a lot of duets it would be nice. I'm guessing it would be hard for one person to move easily.

#1667530 - 04/27/11 03:30 PM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: Steve Cohen]  
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+ another one. Buy the Jansen bench from PW. You will get an honest and reasonable price for a great product.


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#1667615 - 04/27/11 06:49 PM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: David Xavi]  
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Some day I too will own a Jansen Solo Bench.

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#1667654 - 04/27/11 08:04 PM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: David Xavi]  
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Jansen benches even have replaceable parts in the lifting mechanism. As several have said, once you buy one, you will never need to replace it.

I bought a Jansen solo bench in leather. Sometimes I wish I had bought the duet bench, even if it meant getting it in vinyl to save money.


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#1667685 - 04/27/11 09:15 PM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: David Xavi]  
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In 2009 I made a trip to the Jansen factory in Oshkosh, WI. I was in the middle of having my 1904 Henry F. Miller concert grand rebuilt. Paul Jansen suggested I bring one of the refinished piano legs with me so he could see it in person and then suggest a leg style to compliment the old piano (he had leg styles in limited quantity that he does not list in is catalog). We then went to the leather room and selected the color leather that would compliment the mahogoney wood and in the stain room we chose the matching stain color for the bench legs.

It was a wonderful experience and Paul was a real gentleman. The custom built bench arrived at my home before the final restoration of the piano was complete. I use the bench almost daily and it still looks like it did the day it arrived.


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#1667820 - 04/28/11 03:15 AM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: Steve W]  
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Originally Posted by Steve W
Jansen benches even have replaceable parts in the lifting mechanism. As several have said, once you buy one, you will never need to replace it.

I bought a Jansen solo bench in leather. Sometimes I wish I had bought the duet bench, even if it meant getting it in vinyl to save money.


Maybe... just maybe... if you throw your Jansen off a cliff, and run over it with a truck, which then explodes and sets it on fire, you'll NEED to buy a new bench. Otherwise, you probably won't be able to justify the buying of the duet bench because the old one wore out. But, though everyone else here seems to think them TOO BIG, or TOO HEAVY, or whatever, I LOVE MINE. Though I feel just fine sitting on the solo bench at my teacher's studio.


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#1667964 - 04/28/11 10:44 AM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: crogersrx]  
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To crogersrx and others who have duet benches, a question: Can you adjust each side to a different height (for the comfort of the individual players) or must both players agree to the same height?

[Edit] Oops, never mind. I looked a the site, and the premium artist duet bench has one adjustable height, like the solo bench. They make a different bench where each side can set a different height.

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#1668062 - 04/28/11 01:40 PM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: David Xavi]  
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Seems like a premium price to pay. I'm all for supporting American manufacturing, but $800 for a piano bench is steep. What is the perceived benefit?


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Originally Posted by Michael Taylor
Seems like a premium price to pay. I'm all for supporting American manufacturing, but $800 for a piano bench is steep. What is the perceived benefit?


Huh? Have you read the thread? shocked

I've had many adjustable benches upside down to photograph the "works" -- since we sell Jansen benches online.

There is no "perceived benefit". In a Jansen you get honest-to-goodness machined parts that are made of real steel instead of stamped and/or molded pot-metal. You have real bearings instead of shafts turning in punched sheet metal brackets. You have glue joints in real wood rather than chip-board. There are no staples in a Jansen bench. And you get top-quality upholstery, as well.

I've seen most of the adjustable benches out there. Some aren't horrible. Most are garbage. Jansen is way ahead of whatever takes second place.


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#1668084 - 04/28/11 02:49 PM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: kpembrook]  
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There is always a perceived benefit to premium products. Inspite of the sarcasm, it looks like you answered my question. I have not heard of the "Jansen Artist Bench" and was curious about the high cost. I suppose the short answer is that they are the Cadillac of piano benches.


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Originally Posted by Michael Taylor
Seems like a premium price to pay. I'm all for supporting American manufacturing, but $800 for a piano bench is steep. What is the perceived benefit?


It really just is a matter of quality. As I understand it, new Steinways come w/ Jansen benches, if that tells you anything about their quality.

I bought one of the $199 OSP leather benches from eBay. I think I paid $575 for the Jansen bench w/ vinyl. (The Jansen vinyl is of a better quality than the OSP leather, I'm sure!)

Not only is the Jansen bigger, significantly (I suspect the OSP bench is the same size as the Jansen petite bench), but the quality just doesn't compare. It's probably similar to comparing a $1000 entertainment system (the piece of furniture, I mean) from a quality furniture store vs. buying something of a similar size from Wal-Mart for $129 that you have to put together yourself.

And, when you consider the fact that it will last for a couple of decades, at least, the price difference between a Jansen and anything else becomes somewhat irrelevant.


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Originally Posted by Michael Taylor
There is always a perceived benefit to premium products. Inspite of the sarcasm, it looks like you answered my question. I have not heard of the "Jansen Artist Bench" and was curious about the high cost. I suppose the short answer is that they are the Cadillac of piano benches.


Michael,
Sorry if I sounded snippy. I put "perceived benefit" in quotes to emphasize that it is not something subjective, but rather that there are genuine objective structural differences.

Saying it's the 'Cadillac' is a good way to put it.


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Jansen Artist benches are the "gold standard" in the industry and are a fabulous product.

However...stay tuned!

That is all I shall say. No - my lips are sealed.

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An alternative to the Jansen Artist bench that is available both in North America and Europe (no dealerships for Jansen in Europe) is the German 'Burghardt B10 H' with patented 'Gissando' mechanism.

However you should not pick this one because of price as it is at least as expensive if not more expensive than the Jansen.

Burghardt B10 H

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In my experience, the Burghardts have softer, more luxurious leather than Jansen's leather option and the hydraulic mechanism is very convenient, but I have found the Jansen to be more durable and with better upholstery. I'll gladly accept the Burghardt, but I'll recommend the Jansen artist bench.

However, there is another that I like....


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The solidity, comfort and quality of the Jansen bench is well worth the price. Mine came with my Steinway and I love it.


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Originally Posted by Michael Taylor
There is always a perceived benefit to premium products. Inspite of the sarcasm, it looks like you answered my question. I have not heard of the "Jansen Artist Bench" and was curious about the high cost. I suppose the short answer is that they are the Cadillac of piano benches.


Not quite what I would say - even though Jansen benches are nice looking, they really are not known for their aesthetic aspects nearly so much as their heavy-duty hardware. They are heavy and they are really solid.

When you buy a Cadillac, you get exactly the same generic GM engine as you get in a Chevrolet or Buick, but you get nice leather and wood inside the cabin. When you buy a Jansen bench, you get a very different set of innards.

I had a no-name adjustable bench which my dealer gave me when I bought my Schimmel 14 years ago. Lasted 10 years before the cheap thin metal side arms in the lifting mechanism broke. I had them welded and lasted another year. Finally broke down and got the Jansen and should never need to replace it (barring catastrophes described by Cary Rogers!))

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I think its that "Cadillac" doesn't mean the same as when the expression "the Cadillac of" was coined. Cadillac had a long run with very little outside competition as THE premium luxury car brand in States. Like the rest of GM, they fell behind. When they put the effort back into them, they earned a good following, but never the same reverence that was the origin of that still common expression. Information is widespread, consumers see more good options, and now no luxury car brand can dominate for decades.

Hmmm.... smile


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That's not entirely true. There were other luxury brands in the US.....Buick and Lincoln to name two. Much like piano, many brands came and went.....but Cadillac prevailed.

Any who....I won't hi-jack the thread.

I guess I will stick with my current bench until it breaks. The only issue that I have is that there is no good place to put my sheet music.....the wife would kill me if I left it lying around!

One more thing.....Cadillacs share some (not all parts with Chevy and Buick)......but they also supplied engines to Rolls Royce (many years ago.) I am sure that the benches are sturdy and well built.....but there is still some "perceived benefit" that you pay extra for.

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In my experience, the Burghardts have softer, more luxurious leather than Jansen's leather option and the hydraulic mechanism is very convenient, but I have found the Jansen to be more durable and with better upholstery. I'll gladly accept the Burghardt, but I'll recommend the Jansen artist bench.


That's why I recommend my customers to buy a Sauter and Estonia grand together.

They'll get one of the benches each...

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#1668893 - 04/30/11 05:02 AM Re: Jansen Artist Bench [Re: Michael Taylor]  
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Originally Posted by Michael Taylor
There is always a perceived benefit to premium products. Inspite of the sarcasm, it looks like you answered my question. I have not heard of the "Jansen Artist Bench" and was curious about the high cost. I suppose the short answer is that they are the Cadillac of piano benches.


They are indeed the premium benches (probably the Rolls Royce, not Cadillac). I have a Jansen Artist Duet bench and it is solid as a tank. Super comfy too. The duet benches are not able to be adjusted individually on each side... I suppose that might be a downside, but I just like the larger bench so that I can have extra books on the empty side of it instead of all over the music rack. I'd be fine with the regular solo bench, but since I only intended to buy it once, I figured I'd go for the Duet. I don't regret it.

And, if you look at some of the regular, unadjustable benches for $300-400, what's so surprising about the cost of a Jansen Artist? Go to a Steinway store and sample the adjustable benches. Those are Jansen benches with special Steinway nobs installed as aftermarket add-ons.


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