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CP5 OS update #1665252
04/23/11 04:52 AM
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It's come to my attention that there's an OS update for the CP5 ... http://www.yamahasynth.com/downloads/drivers_software/stage_pianos/cp5/updater/



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Re: CP5 OS update [Re: Dave Horne] #1665260
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Thanks, Dave! Sounds like it includes a couple of nice improvements – and it shows that Yamaha is committed to the CP line.


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Re: CP5 OS update [Re: Dave Horne] #1665276
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It took me longer than it should have but to be honest, I didn't initially read all the instructions. __Read__ the instructions and it should go just fine.


You still cannot change voices when using a WAV backing track, would that have been so difficult to implement?



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Re: CP5 OS update [Re: Dave Horne] #1665290
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Originally Posted by Dave Horne
You still cannot change voices when using a WAV backing track, would that have been so difficult to implement?

I've seen more examples than I would expect where free and open code is much better than "professionally" written code. An open source DP might be a fascinating thing - I wonder how long it will be before someone hacks an existing DP, or some manufacturer provides an SDK?

Re: CP5 OS update [Re: Dave Horne] #1665299
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Dave, Are the piano voice improvements noticeable? The update history says that some things have been "newly organized and "off parts" have been "newly changed". Maybe its just me but when I read a dumbed down release note provided to a technical public I get worried.

Re: CP5 OS update [Re: Dave Horne] #1665301
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I haven't listened to any of the voices yet. I only use that piano when there's no acoustic available. Also, I typically use the default grand with a few of my own changes incorporated.


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Re: CP5 OS update [Re: Dave Horne] #1665662
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Originally Posted by Dave Horne
It's come to my attention that there's an OS update for the CP5 ... http://www.yamahasynth.com/downloads/drivers_software/stage_pianos/cp5/updater/





I wasn't aware of that, thank you.

So they finally fixed the very annoying issue of not being able to change performances without first having to stop the drum track. And they also fixed the dynamic problem with the Wurlies. I didn't notice anything happened to the pianos though.


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Re: CP5 OS update [Re: Dave Horne] #1665671
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I dunno I can't hear anything in the pianos that are much different....


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Re: CP5 OS update [Re: Dr Popper] #1666719
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Thank's for sharing this update here!

I was away from home so I wasn't able to check this forum for some days. This topic was just at the bottom of the first page of the forum so I nearly missed it smile

I'll check it in the next few days. I am most curious about the preset changes of the main piano voices...


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Re: CP5 OS update [Re: octurn] #1666723
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Originally Posted by octurn
I am most curious about the preset changes of the main piano voices...


Don't expect too much. Ok, the Wurlitzer sounds can now be played with much better dynamics, they now actually have a "piano" sound, but I still can't hear if anything happened to the AP sounds. For me, they sound the same. Anyways, as I posted, there are a couple of useful things that Yamaha changed... At least, I'm happy they are obviously listening to us customers.


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Re: CP5 OS update [Re: Manolios] #1668508
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Due to being away from home for one reason or another, I've not yet had the chance to put my CP5 on eBay. I needed to rehearse a piece for a wedding tomorrow, so decided that this was the perfect chance to get the Yammie out of its case, apply the OS update and (some trepidation here) decide once and for all whether I really wanted to sell.

Obviously, the main attraction for many will be the Wurli fix. The CP5 came out of the factory with a Wurli sound whose dynamic level didn't go below mf no matter how softly one played.

I can confirm this is now well and truly fixed - the dynamic range of both Wurli samples is now on a par with the pianos; which is to say, impressive.

I must admit I could hear little or no difference in the acoustic piano samples, though I fancy the S6 sounded a little less "boxy" than of old, but that may have been down to lack of acquaintance over the past couple of months.

The acoustic bass+ride cymbal voice was a mysterious omission on the original CP series, as it's been a Yamaha staple on their DPs for many years and is handy for playing jazz/swing numbers etc solo. The voice is of the high quality we've come to expect and the electric + ride is a nice variation to have.

So basically, if you have a CP5 and haven't applied this update yet, you should do so asap. There's a similar one for the CP50, though seemingly not the CP1 (yet, at least).

Now the big question - to sell or not? I have to say, the answer is yes. Coming back to the CP5 after a lot of time on my Nord, I was once more struck by how artificial the Yamaha can sound, even when well tweaked. The lack of clarity in the bass register remains an issue for these ears. The EPs, while strong, are eclipsed by the Nord too. Added to all this, the Nord is 8kg lighter, more compact and sums to mono elegantly to boot.

All IMHO of course, but I was honestly surprised how little seller's remorse I experienced - albeit, it isn't out the door yet!


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Re: CP5 OS update [Re: Dave Horne] #1668525
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Aidan, how do you think the Nord action/sounds connects compared to your CP5? I played a CP5 this week back to back with an RD700NX, and I actually really really liked the CP5. But after a few minutes with it, I was bored of the sounds, and the completely unintuitive layout (vs the NP88) had me moving on to something else. I'm utterly spoiled with the NP88.


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Re: CP5 OS update [Re: Dave Horne] #1668691
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NP88 and CP5 guys;

Actionwise, how would you sum up the difference?

Re: CP5 OS update [Re: Dave Horne] #1668830
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I would day the CP5 feels more solid, but it doesn't connect to the sounds any better. The NP88 has a much better vibe when playing it vs. the CP5. Plus the pianos are much much more alive and certainly more organic and diverse. This is my opinion though so take it for what it is. Aidan could probably give a more astute answer since he owns both. It's just hard for me to really get into the music on any other DP the way I do on the NP88. Now that I'm spoiled with having 3 really different really good sounding grand pianos, not to mention the upright pianos, everything else quickly becomes lifeless and bland.

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Re: CP5 OS update [Re: Dave Horne] #1668882
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Haha, that's understandable!

What makes me most happy about my CP5 are basically two things:

First, I like the way action and sound interact. On their own, neither makes you hold your breath or anything – they are unspectacular and solid (in the best sense of the words, though). Together, however, they made me connect with the instrument in a way that won me over from the 700NX, the Stage EX88, the MP-6 or the CP50. The MP-10 was close or better in some respects, but I couldn't imagine gigging with it, I'm not King Kong.

Second, I like the way the CFIIIs bridges the gap between being a nice solo instrument and blending well with ensembles. I haven't tried it with my big band yet, but in small combo settings the CP5 fits in perfectly. Also, I think the rather punchy and fat upper register of the CFIIIs is ideal for those single-note lines typical for a lot of jazz playing.

But that's just my personal perspective – I've also heard from people who bought the CP5 in the first place and traded it in for a 700NX because they found the CP too sterile.

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Re: CP5 OS update [Re: Dave Horne] #1668885
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I wish the CP5 had the same action as the CP300\CP33. Yamaha went for a slightly lighter weight in the CP5 and while it's a nice action it's not as good, in my opinion, as the CP300.

When Yamaha introduces the next generation in two or three years, I'll sell mine and buy the next in line.


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I think the key-to-sound connection of the CP5 is probably better than any other DP I've played to date. It's certainly capable of the best pianissimo I've heard in a digital.

However, maybe because of the realism (and imperfections) of the Nord, maybe because of the three-pedal unit, I find it a more inspiring instrument to play. In my job you tend to play the same tunes over and over again - I find the Nord encourages me to explore different arrangements, tweaks here and there.

Single line jazz soloing can be a little problematic but I've found I can get over that, as most of the negative impressions of the Nord in that area appear to be linked to how close you're sitting to the monitor. I had a friend play mine recently while I sat in the room and it sounded great.

My other problem with the Yamaha is that it doesn't have mono versions of its pianos. On the Nord, both the Yamaha and Steinway sound great in mono (the Bosie less so), allowing me to bring just a single speaker into a solo gig and give the sound engineer no grief when running into FOH systems in a band situation.


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Originally Posted by Dave Horne
It's come to my attention that there's an OS update for the CP5 ... http://www.yamahasynth.com/downloads/drivers_software/stage_pianos/cp5/updater/



some comments in French about V.120 for CP5 ....

on Audiokeys CP5 Yamaha - CP5 OS Updater V1.20 18 avril 2011 AUDIOKEYS


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Originally Posted by andi85
I like the way the CFIIIs bridges the gap between being a nice solo instrument and blending well with ensembles...... in small combo settings the CP5 fits in perfectly. Also, I think the rather punchy and fat upper register of the CFIIIs is ideal for those single-note lines typical for a lot of jazz playing.


+1.

After much trial and error, I haven't played anything yet that works for me in a live context as well as the CP5; except the CP1... smile

Originally Posted by Aidan

However, maybe because of the realism (and imperfections) of the Nord, maybe because of the three-pedal unit, I find it a more inspiring instrument to play. In my job you tend to play the same tunes over and over again - I find the Nord encourages me to explore different arrangements, tweaks here and there.

Single line jazz soloing can be a little problematic but I've found I can get over that, as most of the negative impressions of the Nord in that area appear to be linked to how close you're sitting to the monitor. I had a friend play mine recently while I sat in the room and it sounded great.


I guess I'm the exact opposite. I remember using the NP on gigs back in Nov. & Dec. and I must say I've never played an instrument live like this were I literally felt handcuffed on everything I played. Within usually 8 bars, and most certainly by the bridge, my thought process was always...."man I'm really sucking it here...what is going on ?!". Most non-pianistic, unnatural and uninspiring in all aspects for me.

On the contrary, recording solo playing in my studio I felt the more "organic vibe" everyone speaks of. I made a few solo recordings with the Yamaha sample that were fun and I thought sounded pretty good.

However live, in a Jazz trio or quartet setting, soloing or comping behind a sax or trumpet, through a pair of speakers or mono summed, forget it. The only regrets I had sending it back were the portability factor and the fact it was a nice addition for the EPs when I was playing acoustic piano. It was a small footprint that didn't take up a lot of room next to the piano. The Sparkletop Rhodes and wurli sounds definitely complimented the pure acoustic sound very nicely.
But again for an Acoustic Piano substitute, not happening for me.

When I switched back to the CP5, which is far from perfect , it was like a breath of fresh air after fighting the Nord. At least I sounded more like me on the Yamaha.


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