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Patrick, I know an elderly fellow who is a PTG member that exclusively tunes all his temperaments in the F2-F3 range. He feels that his M3rds come out more refined in the end. I really seen no issues with his temperament and how it succesively gets expanded into the tuning so I think there is a high amount of leniency on ones' approach to where and how its done. Perhaps the differences in approach can also be attributed to varying strengths and weaknesses of each individuals capabilities and limitations. When I first started tuning I had great difficulties with 4ths for some reason, yet most of my classmates had complained about 5ths. I would love to know exactly how and why there are these differences. I find it to be one of the more attracive traits of this trade, to be able to find what best works for yourself in achieving a decent tuning.

That's helpful. I hadn't heard about the lower half octave of the plain wire string before. My understanding of TuneLab was that once it has a piano's inharmonicity measurements, it constructs a tuning curve that lets the piano be tuned in any sequence - even note by note all the way up the scale. I wouldn't have thought that it would be more reliable for some strings than others.

So if I want to stretch an octave more than TuneLab does, say by making A5 sharper than the given tuning curve, does TuneLab incorporate that custom offset when calculating its recommended frequency for A6, A7 etc. or does it just let you record that you're using a different frequency for the single note A5? That is, will the entire right half of the tuning curve be more stretched based on my tuning of A5?

You will have to adjust the curve to get it to cross the point of the custom offset by use of the arrows up and down once you have the curve displayed.

The custom offset should show red. Use the menu to lock the custom offset note so it doesn't shift as the rest of the curve moves. You can set a couple of notes to really customize the tuning curve to better match the instrument.

Ron Koval

You mean checking the chromatic m3rds or m6ths, right? I remember that you wrote about this a few years ago. It was a good test to get under the belt.

If you hate reading stuff online here's a free pdf of the same.

Kees

As an aside, here's an intersting quote from White's book about ET>

Kees

I didn't realize that the method White is describing in his book is also attributed to the Circle of Fifths.
The tuning sequence I thought was the one and only "Circle" of Fifths is as follows:

A3 to fork,
A2 to A3 (octave down),
E3 to A2 (fifth up),
E2 to E3 (octave down),
B2 to E2 (fifth up),
F-sharp3 to B2 (fifth up),
F-sharp2 to F-sharp3(octave down),
C-sharp3 to F-sharp2 (fifth up),
G-sharp3 to C-sharp3 (fifth up),
G-sharp2 to G-sharp3 (octave down),
D-sharp3 to G-sharp2 (fifth up),
D-sharp2 to D-sharp3 (octave down),
A-sharp2 to D-sharp2 (fifth up),
F3 to A-sharp2 (fifth up),
F2 to F3 (octave down),
C3 to F2 (fifth up),
G3 to C3 (fifth up),
G2 to G3 (octave down),
and finally
D3 to G2 (fifth up).

Or just get your own copy:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/9996267636/

One of the first books I bought after Reblitz.

Why pay $10 to some random company unrelated to the author if it's free?

Kees

Close: minor 3rds and Major 6ths. Probably just a typo.

But what I am saying is: that is the only way I can make them work. And I don't know if it would work across a break.

Have you tried setting a temperament by only tuning 4ths and 5ths and listening to 3rds and 6ths? Even if you don't enjoy it, you may learn a thing or two.

Kees:

Thanks for posting the quote from Dr. White. Reading it reminds me of just how objective he was, not some villian that destroyed music like some portray him.

And why pay $10 for a book if it can be read for free online? Well, I like books! I can enjoy them while sitting in a relaxing chair and holding the book at a comfortable position.

Free if you don't mind sitting in front of your computer to read it. I suppose my iPad might suffice, but it seems to have been taken over by the rest of the family I'm as much a computer nerd as anyone, yet there are many reasons I prefer real books to screens, no matter how portable.

I just opload the pdf to the nearest copy shop and have it nicely bound. That's more expensive than buying the book but I have the illusion that I got it for free.

Kees

I haven't tried that order exclusively, but you're right - I should, and will.

Emmery, I completely agree.
Ryan, the same goes for your post above.

I could have signed both of these. But you beat me to it.

Pat:

Thanks!

Jeff: I apologize if you took offence, it didn't sound bad to my ears. That happens sometimes due to English not being my native language. I don't really hear nuances of the words that I can't list here...

This said, during my years in NY I never understood why cop movies on public TV channels replaced every hint of a curse with a *beep*, although those words was heard everywhere on the streets, from people of all possible sex/age/belief/ethnicity aso. That is, and still is, double standard to me.

Where DO you draw the line? Are you representing the majority? I am just curious, and I'm still trying to learn your customs.

I doubt if I represent ANY majority.

I don’t know what they do on TV anymore. It is up in the attic.

I once heard that Catholics tend to avoid taking “The Lord’s Name in Vain” but use sexual explicit terms instead. Protestants tend to do the opposite. Having gone to sea for 24 years most things do not bother me, although the setting can be inappropriate, such as this Forum…. A true Curse does get under my skin, though, if directed at a person, even jokingly. But it can be humorous when directed at an inanimate object. Is there really a place of eternal punishment for false beats?

I remember my arrival in NY 1994. At the airport, a cab forced our airport bus driver to hit the brakes. Out jumped both drivers, starting to yell obscenities at each other.

They kept on doing so for about a minute, gesticulating wildly, then they went back to their vehicles and got back to work.

Where I live, the first few worlds would have been enough to start a fight where only one would remain standing.

You could look at it this way: Neither were standing, they were both groveling in the mud.