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Problems learning Keith Jarrett #1657811
04/10/11 05:52 PM
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I wonder if anyone can help me. I'm between teachers at the moment so I've decided to start chipping away at the last movement Part 11c from The Koln Concert. The problem is I can't work out how the play the left hand part. To sustain the minums and play the quavers in the left hand seems almost impossible. I've surfed youtube and no one has a decent shot of their left hand so I can see how they do it. I wonder if someone could give me some advice or even better post a video of the first few bars showing their left hand. Thanks

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Re: Problems learning Keith Jarrett [Re: Joke Fingers] #1658048
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Maybe you should post a picture of the mentioned bars that give you trouble.

Is it a problem of stretching, pedalling, distributing the inner voices between right and left hand?

If it gives you too much trouble you can always try to adjust the score to your liking.This is after all a transcription of improvised music. This is no composition that should be followed litterally. You can make from it what you'd like. Let your own taste be your guide!


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Re: Problems learning Keith Jarrett [Re: octurn] #1658440
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The main problem is the stretching. Most people seem to just do the best they can, so I think I will have to go down that road. For an inexperianced jazz player I think the score is quite difficult to work out. One day someone should do a tutorial on it to help out us lesser mortals.

Re: Problems learning Keith Jarrett [Re: Joke Fingers] #1663593
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It's a little difficult to see her left hand, but this is an excellent version.

Part IIC - Koln Concert


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Re: Problems learning Keith Jarrett [Re: Joke Fingers] #1664967
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Do you have a transcription of it like the girl in the you-tube?


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Re: Problems learning Keith Jarrett [Re: Joke Fingers] #1665229
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The thing I find strange about hearing 'covers' of pieces like the Koln concert is that Keith didn't compose these pieces as songs, he just improvised them in the moment. They came--and then they went, never to be played again. Some one else sat down and lifted them.
It's a testament to his genius that the pieces are so fully formed when they come out. But it seems strange to hear players playing transcriptions of them because the process that created them is lost. To learn the notes that he played in that moment entirely misses what actually makes those performances so great. To capture the essence and spirit that those pieces evoke in one's OWN improvisations--that would truly be 'learning Keith Jarrett'.

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Re: Problems learning Keith Jarrett [Re: AJF] #1665246
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Originally Posted by AJF
. . . . To capture the essence and spirit that those pieces evoke in one's OWN improvisations--that would truly be 'learning Keith Jarrett'.

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Re: Problems learning Keith Jarrett [Re: Joke Fingers] #1665364
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kind of like 'being John Malkovich' smile Unfortunately that girl's transcription is as close as you're going to get. Next generation is the transcription of the girl's you-tube.


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Re: Problems learning Keith Jarrett [Re: daviel] #1665376
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Originally Posted by daviel
Do you have a transcription of it like the girl in the you-tube?
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Re: Problems learning Keith Jarrett [Re: Joke Fingers] #1665377
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Originally Posted by Joke Fingers
I wonder if someone could give me some advice . . . . . of the first few bars showing their left hand.

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Re: Problems learning Keith Jarrett [Re: chrisbell] #1666693
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Hi Chrisbell sorry for the delay, easter holidays etc. Anyway for example in the first bar how are you suppose to sustain the A minim and play the other notes if you can't comfortably stretch a 10th. Also I assume that where the minins are preceeded by a semi quaver you are not supposed to play the same note twice as with the very first two notes. Or are you supposed to play the A and E together and then take your fifth finger off the A when to you play middle C. And what are the straight lines supposed to mean.

Re: Problems learning Keith Jarrett [Re: Joke Fingers] #1666697
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The score indicates two possibilities: Either stretch and hold or play a 16th and 'roll' up to the middle C.

Straight lines indicate voice-leading.


Re: Problems learning Keith Jarrett [Re: chrisbell] #1667096
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Thanks, that makes alot more sense now.


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