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#1647771 - 03/25/11 12:14 PM Fish tanks & Pianos  
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I meant to post this on the tech forum yesterday but I ran out of time. There is some discussion regarding this post on the piano forum.




I rebuilt this Checkering grand 16 years ago and it has been in a posh residence since. We maintained it for the the fist 12 years and I have not seen it in the last 4 years.

I was horrified to find major corrosion on the piano. The owners had no idea of the issue but were concerned about the buzzing bass notes.

It turns out they installed a 120 gallon salt water fish tank a few years back and I guess the combination of the moisture and salt has majorly damaged the piano.

So the lesson in this the most beautiful item in your room should be your family and your piano. Not a salt water fish tank.

A fresh water tank is fine and actually good for adding humidity to the room.

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#1647778 - 03/25/11 12:31 PM Re: Fish tanks & Pianos [Re: Rod Verhnjak]  
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Ouch! that must hurt to see that. We have a 101 year old Chickering in our
family room awaiting rebirth. Maybe we should make a canoe out if it instead.
Oh! OW! pain! pain! those people need their fanny's paddled.

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#1647780 - 03/25/11 12:33 PM Re: Fish tanks & Pianos [Re: Rod Verhnjak]  
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Beautiful work, by the way, Rod. I can see underneath that rust.

Anson


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#1647789 - 03/25/11 01:00 PM Re: Fish tanks & Pianos [Re: Rod Verhnjak]  
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Wow! Who'd a thunk Rod? Very nice job of lining up the becketts by the way! Nice and straight! Wish everyone would do that! What you going to do? Clean up as best you can?


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#1647837 - 03/25/11 01:56 PM Re: Fish tanks & Pianos [Re: Rod Verhnjak]  
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It needs the top end rebuilt. It can not be cleaned.
It's a shame as it was a great piano.


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#1647847 - 03/25/11 02:11 PM Re: Fish tanks & Pianos [Re: Rod Verhnjak]  
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I guess this means no house on the beach with ocean view and grand piano frown

#1647879 - 03/25/11 02:59 PM Re: Fish tanks & Pianos [Re: Bob Newbie]  
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Originally Posted by Bob Newbie
I guess this means no house on the beach with ocean view and grand piano frown


I guess that's a nice problem to have, but that's my problem. I have a rebuild S&S D that I would like eventually to move to my beach house which has salt water right behind the house and about 500 yards from the ocean. I am concerned about the affect it will have on the piano.


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#1647911 - 03/25/11 03:56 PM Re: Fish tanks & Pianos [Re: Jerry Groot RPT]  
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Originally Posted by Jerry Groot RPT
Wow! Who'd a thunk Rod? Very nice job of lining up the becketts by the way! Nice and straight! Wish everyone would do that! What you going to do? Clean up as best you can?


Ditto on the beckets...After stringing my first piano, I have a whole new appreciation for that skill... thumb


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#1647917 - 03/25/11 04:20 PM Re: Fish tanks & Pianos [Re: Rod Verhnjak]  
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I am puzzled as to why the rust is only on upper surfaces, e.g. the first coil winding, not beneath the end of loops beneath hitch pins, tops only of bridge pins. It is like the salt settled down from above rather than pervade everywhere.


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#1647924 - 03/25/11 04:32 PM Re: Fish tanks & Pianos [Re: Chris Leslie]  
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Originally Posted by Chris Leslie
I am puzzled as to why the rust is only on upper surfaces, e.g. the first coil winding, not beneath the end of loops beneath hitch pins, tops only of bridge pins. It is like the salt settled down from above rather than pervade everywhere.


My thoughts on this is a fish tank is not a problem as I had a 90 gallon tank in my showroom for years. It's a great way to keep moisture in the air since the water does evaporate.

I believe the limited moisture in the air will not cause a problem but the little salt content left in that moisture will.

It sits on horizontal surfaces. The underside of the strings
are fine.


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#1647926 - 03/25/11 04:43 PM Re: Fish tanks & Pianos [Re: Les Koltvedt]  
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Originally Posted by Les Koltvedt
Originally Posted by Jerry Groot RPT
Wow! Who'd a thunk Rod? Very nice job of lining up the becketts by the way! Nice and straight! Wish everyone would do that! What you going to do? Clean up as best you can?


Ditto on the beckets...After stringing my first piano, I have a whole new appreciation for that skill... thumb


Thanks guys,
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I restrung my first piano when I was 14 (1983 ish) so by the time I did this one, 10 years later I had many under my belt.
I was shown how it was to be done from the beginning since my Father & Mother had resrung pianos before me.

Every piano that goes through my shop is restrung by me.
And it has been that way since 1987.
That's a lot of pianos!!!!!!




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#1647933 - 03/25/11 05:03 PM Re: Fish tanks & Pianos [Re: Rod Verhnjak]  
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Rod, I'm trying to get to my second one... and time is marching too fast. If only I could win the lotto...lol


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#1647936 - 03/25/11 05:07 PM Re: Fish tanks & Pianos [Re: Ralph]  
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Originally Posted by Ralph
Originally Posted by Bob Newbie
I guess this means no house on the beach with ocean view and grand piano frown


I guess that's a nice problem to have, but that's my problem. I have a rebuild S&S D that I would like eventually to move to my beach house which has salt water right behind the house and about 500 yards from the ocean. I am concerned about the affect it will have on the piano.


I have many customers with homes in the "A" row at the beach. A wool felt string cover does an amazing job of keeping the strings clean. I have one example of a customer whose house is on the sand in Belmont Shore, Long Beach, CA. The 1926 Steinway A has been in that house the whole time. The strings are not rusty except for the two top notes where the felt string cover missed covering them.



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#1647960 - 03/25/11 06:03 PM Re: Fish tanks & Pianos [Re: Chris Leslie]  
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Originally Posted by Chris Leslie
I am puzzled as to why the rust is only on upper surfaces, e.g. the first coil winding, not beneath the end of loops beneath hitch pins, tops only of bridge pins. It is like the salt settled down from above rather than pervade everywhere.


It's because the salt particles and/or salty droplets travel through the air in the form of a fine powder or mist (aerosol), and settle on the top surfaces of objects - just like dust. Have a look at the cross-postings in the Piano Forum for more detailed explanations.


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#1647974 - 03/25/11 06:31 PM Re: Fish tanks & Pianos [Re: Rod Verhnjak]  
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String cover! That's brilliant. I forgot all about that. I love this forum.


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#1655966 - 04/06/11 08:57 PM Re: Fish tanks & Pianos [Re: Rod Verhnjak]  
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Saw this piano last Monday. Just about cried!

#1656430 - 04/07/11 04:28 PM Re: Fish tanks & Pianos [Re: Jerry Groot RPT]  
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Originally Posted by Jerry Groot RPT
Wow! .... What you going to do? Clean up as best you can?


Restring with stainless steel wink


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