Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2.7 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad)
Best of Piano Buyer
 Best of Piano Buyer
(ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
Find a Professional
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers

Advertise on Piano World

(ad)
Accu-Tuner
Sanderson Accu-Tuner
Who's Online Now
126 registered members (AAC127, Beardog, anotherscott, Bill-ICPT, accordeur, APassionatePianist, agraffe, Alex Hutor, AaronSF, 30 invisible), 1,501 guests, and 6 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Live Piano Venues
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Directory/Site Map
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords & Scales
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 2 of 3 1 2 3
Re: /At what age do people usually get grade 8 abrsm in piano [Re: BDB] #1654381
04/04/11 03:12 PM
04/04/11 03:12 PM
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,965
London, UK
K
kevinb Offline
1000 Post Club Member
kevinb  Offline
1000 Post Club Member
K

Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,965
London, UK
Originally Posted by BDB
Most people never get to grade 1.


That'd be me smile I've been playing piano on and off for over 30 years and I've never taken an exam in my life. I don't intend to start now, either.

FWIW I think that one ABRSM grade per year, for those who want or need to take exams, is a reasonable rate. Of course you can pass exams more quickly if you focus specifically on the skills you need to take the exam. But if you take your time you get an opportunity to reflect on what you're doing, which is a vital part of learning.


Piano & Music Gifts & Accessories (570)
Piano accessories and music gift items
Re: /At what age do people usually get grade 8 abrsm in piano [Re: Gould] #1654751
04/05/11 12:38 AM
04/05/11 12:38 AM
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 89
A
anajess Offline
Full Member
anajess  Offline
Full Member
A

Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 89
One grade per year can be very boring. If you play lots of pieces for nine months after an exam and improve a lot, spending the next three months taking a step back is mind-numbing. I used to hate it.

Re: /At what age do people usually get grade 8 abrsm in piano [Re: anajess] #1654777
04/05/11 02:28 AM
04/05/11 02:28 AM
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,101
L
ll Offline
1000 Post Club Member
ll  Offline
1000 Post Club Member
L

Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,101
Originally Posted by anajess
One grade per year can be very boring. If you play lots of pieces for nine months after an exam and improve a lot, spending the next three months taking a step back is mind-numbing. I used to hate it.


Not if you're spending the proper amount of time, developing your technique.

And if you already have, and are onto higher pieces because you actually should be, then you can always skip a level.


II. As in, second best.
Only lowercase. So not even that.
I teach piano and violin.
BM, Violin & Percussion Performance 2009, Piano Pedagogy 2011.
Re: /At what age do people usually get grade 8 abrsm in piano [Re: ll] #1654792
04/05/11 03:06 AM
04/05/11 03:06 AM
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 3,946
Banned
T
theJourney Offline
3000 Post Club Member
theJourney  Offline
3000 Post Club Member
T

Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 3,946
Banned
Originally Posted by ll
Not if you're spending the proper amount of time, developing your technique.

And if you already have, and are onto higher pieces because you actually should be, then you can always skip a level.


Exactly. There is also no reason why you can't do two books in one year (or one book in two years for Grade 7 or Grade 8) and only take the exam of the level you are really ready for. There is no requirement to start at 1 or to take every exam or every exam sequentially. The only requirement is to have Grade 5 theory before you sit for Grade 6 Practical.

If people spent more time playing out of the Alfred Czerny-Germer book instead of trying to use the ABRSM miniatures as the exclusive path to technical facility, they could probably go a lot faster.

Last edited by theJourney; 04/05/11 03:10 AM.
Re: /At what age do people usually get grade 8 abrsm in piano [Re: anajess] #1654851
04/05/11 05:54 AM
04/05/11 05:54 AM
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,965
London, UK
K
kevinb Offline
1000 Post Club Member
kevinb  Offline
1000 Post Club Member
K

Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,965
London, UK
Originally Posted by anajess
One grade per year can be very boring. If you play lots of pieces for nine months after an exam and improve a lot, spending the next three months taking a step back is mind-numbing. I used to hate it.


I don't really have much to add to what others have already said. Nobody's suggesting taking every exam, one after the other. If you've moved on, you've moved on.

But my suggestion was that students who strive to achieve technical mastery very rapidly (and this isn't just about piano, it's a problem in any kind of education) don't have the chance to study around the core subject, or reflect on what they're learning and why.

Naturally there are people for whom learning the piano (or whatever) comes so easily that they can make rapid progress and still have a broad exposure to different kinds of music, playing styles, etc. There just don't seem to be very many.

I'm aware that at the earlier grades people often don't find the music very interesting, and are keen to move on to more challenging stuff -- not just to pass exams but to have access to more interesting pieces. This seems to me to be understandable and even praiseworthy, but it's easy for it to become a habit.


Re: /At what age do people usually get grade 8 abrsm in piano [Re: Gould] #1654852
04/05/11 05:57 AM
04/05/11 05:57 AM
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 3,946
Banned
T
theJourney Offline
3000 Post Club Member
theJourney  Offline
3000 Post Club Member
T

Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 3,946
Banned
Only living for tomorrow today can make for some empty yesterdays.

Re: /At what age do people usually get grade 8 abrsm in piano [Re: theJourney] #1654858
04/05/11 06:08 AM
04/05/11 06:08 AM
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,101
L
ll Offline
1000 Post Club Member
ll  Offline
1000 Post Club Member
L

Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,101
Originally Posted by theJourney
Only living for tomorrow today can make for some empty yesterdays.


Make for?

Oh no! How about some making up for instead laugh

I don't think it's wrong to think, plan, and schedule for the future. But setting things in a retroactive bind or to a metaphorical contract definitely defeats the purpose. Living for tomorrow today gets me through today, and makes for a story about yesterday.

theJourney, I know I've seen your posts before, but I don't think I've ever remarked - and what a better place than this thread - how greatly fitting your username is!


II. As in, second best.
Only lowercase. So not even that.
I teach piano and violin.
BM, Violin & Percussion Performance 2009, Piano Pedagogy 2011.
Re: /At what age do people usually get grade 8 abrsm in piano [Re: Gould] #1654908
04/05/11 08:28 AM
04/05/11 08:28 AM
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 351
United Kingdom
S
Samuel1993 Offline
Full Member
Samuel1993  Offline
Full Member
S

Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 351
United Kingdom
There's really no defined age. You have to take loads into consideration - natural ability, practice time. And let's not forget the dreaded Grade 5 Theory, which often holds people back. I only managed it because I do A Level Music, but my Piano Teacher said she has tons of students who are great players, but just don't get the theory which is a shame really. I'd say around age 16 would be a 'typical' age for Grade 8, but that's just an estimate. My piano teacher says she's had students as young as 13 take there grade 8, and adults as old as 30. But like I said, there's a ton of factors which can often elongate the process of taking Grade 8.


Currently working on...
Chopin - Fantasie Impromptu in C sharp minor Op.66
Mozart - Piano Sonata in E flat K.282
Liszt - Romance in E minor "O pourquoi donc" S.196
Re: /At what age do people usually get grade 8 abrsm in piano [Re: Samuel1993] #1654986
04/05/11 10:54 AM
04/05/11 10:54 AM
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 977
C
cardguy Offline
500 Post Club Member
cardguy  Offline
500 Post Club Member
C

Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 977
Just curious: Could someone give me a sampling of what repertoire would be representative of Grade 8?

Re: /At what age do people usually get grade 8 abrsm in piano [Re: cardguy] #1654989
04/05/11 10:58 AM
04/05/11 10:58 AM
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 22,288
Victoria, BC
BruceD Offline
Gold Subscriber
BruceD  Offline
Gold Subscriber

Joined: May 2001
Posts: 22,288
Victoria, BC
Originally Posted by cardguy
Just curious: Could someone give me a sampling of what repertoire would be representative of Grade 8?


ABRSM Grade 8 Examination

Regards,


BruceD
- - - - -
Estonia 190
Re: /At what age do people usually get grade 8 abrsm in piano [Re: Samuel1993] #1655003
04/05/11 11:24 AM
04/05/11 11:24 AM
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 11,524
B
bennevis Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
bennevis  Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
B

Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 11,524
Originally Posted by Samuel1993
There's really no defined age. You have to take loads into consideration - natural ability, practice time. And let's not forget the dreaded Grade 5 Theory, which often holds people back. I only managed it because I do A Level Music, but my Piano Teacher said she has tons of students who are great players, but just don't get the theory which is a shame really.


I thought Grade 5 Theory is only equivalent to 'O' Level Music (as it was then). Personally, I think it is a shame if a pianist just regards the theory part of the exams as a necessary evil in order to do the practicals. Playing Grade 8 music with no basic understanding of composition, harmony and part-writing etc is like driving a Porsche with no knowledge of the highway code...


"I don't play accurately - anyone can play accurately - but I play with wonderful expression. As far as the piano is concerned, sentiment is my forte. I keep science for Life."
Re: /At what age do people usually get grade 8 abrsm in piano [Re: bennevis] #1655053
04/05/11 01:00 PM
04/05/11 01:00 PM
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 6,651
Here, as opposed to there
stores Offline
6000 Post Club Member
stores  Offline
6000 Post Club Member

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 6,651
Here, as opposed to there
Originally Posted by bennevis
like driving a Porsche with no knowledge of the highway code...


I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the rest of what you said, but, if you're behind the wheel of a Porsche...the helll with the highway code!



"And if we look at the works of J.S. Bach — a benevolent god to which all musicians should offer a prayer to defend themselves against mediocrity... -Debussy

"It's ok if you disagree with me. I can't force you to be right."

♪ ≠ $

Re: /At what age do people usually get grade 8 abrsm in piano [Re: bennevis] #1655157
04/05/11 03:58 PM
04/05/11 03:58 PM
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,965
London, UK
K
kevinb Offline
1000 Post Club Member
kevinb  Offline
1000 Post Club Member
K

Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,965
London, UK
Originally Posted by bennevis
Originally Posted by Samuel1993
There's really no defined age. You have to take loads into consideration - natural ability, practice time. And let's not forget the dreaded Grade 5 Theory, which often holds people back. I only managed it because I do A Level Music, but my Piano Teacher said she has tons of students who are great players, but just don't get the theory which is a shame really.


I thought Grade 5 Theory is only equivalent to 'O' Level Music (as it was then). Personally, I think it is a shame if a pianist just regards the theory part of the exams as a necessary evil in order to do the practicals. Playing Grade 8 music with no basic understanding of composition, harmony and part-writing etc is like driving a Porsche with no knowledge of the highway code...


Maybe so; but grade 5 scarcely touches on those things. The exam requires elaboration of simple cadences and the ability to write out a melody of a few bars. The rest is essentially about understanding music notation.

This has always been a bit of a niggle of mine. I can think of very few reasons why a pianist would really need to be fluent in the tenor clef (which is in the syllabus at that level), and not know anything about, say, counterpoint.


Re: /At what age do people usually get grade 8 abrsm in piano [Re: bennevis] #1655537
04/06/11 05:04 AM
04/06/11 05:04 AM
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 872
Scotland
drumour Offline
500 Post Club Member
drumour  Offline
500 Post Club Member

Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 872
Scotland
Originally Posted by bennevis
...I thought Grade 5 Theory is only equivalent to 'O' Level Music (as it was then). ...


No, the O-level in music covered a lot more than grade 5 theory - which is why it qualified as an exemption to the rule. I'd doubt if that was the case now.

Written harmony in 4 voices & 2 voices, melody-writing

Dictation - rhythm, melody, 2-part, short 4-part chord sequence

Analysis - a Beethoven or a Mozart Sonata

History - focussed study of 2 composers with a set work from each.

John

Last edited by drumour; 04/06/11 05:05 AM.

Vasa inania multum strepunt.
Re: /At what age do people usually get grade 8 abrsm in piano [Re: Gould] #1655542
04/06/11 05:24 AM
04/06/11 05:24 AM
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 11,524
B
bennevis Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
bennevis  Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
B

Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 11,524
I wondered whether the exams have been dumbed down from the time when I took them in 19-- cry - the ABRSM Grade 8 practical certainly has, judging from the lists posted earlier: they specified whole sonatas in List 2 during my time, whereas now it's only a single sonata movement.

And in my 'O' Levels Music, we had to harmonize complete hymn tunes (not any existing one of course) and modulate to a related key during it. I believe the equivalent exam today doesn't even require the student to be able to read music....


"I don't play accurately - anyone can play accurately - but I play with wonderful expression. As far as the piano is concerned, sentiment is my forte. I keep science for Life."
Re: /At what age do people usually get grade 8 abrsm in piano [Re: Gould] #1655551
04/06/11 06:03 AM
04/06/11 06:03 AM
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 3,946
Banned
T
theJourney Offline
3000 Post Club Member
theJourney  Offline
3000 Post Club Member
T

Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 3,946
Banned
The exams have definitely been dumbed down. The lower grades now include arrangements of tunes rather than just piano pieces. The Grade 8 requirements are lower today while at the same time the level of the best kids (taking exams or not) has, like everything in our Olympics defined age, definitely gone up. Before a distinction on Grade 8 could qualify one for admittance to a Conservatory program. Now, it simply a nice-to-have reference on one's CV along with a year abroad, civic involvement and school club leadership to show you are a well balanced candidate to enter into a non-musical University program.

Re: /At what age do people usually get grade 8 abrsm in piano [Re: Gould] #1655637
04/06/11 10:10 AM
04/06/11 10:10 AM
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 10,996
Williamsburg, VA
Piano*Dad Online content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Piano*Dad  Online Content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 10,996
Williamsburg, VA
Interesting. Why the dumbing down? What are the incentives at work? If it makes the selection work of the conservatories harder, then the dumbing down seems perverse. Who gains?

Looking at the repertoire list, that set would not scare any reasonably talented teen. It's all the other stuff that adds bulk and perhaps "difficulty." Forcing students to do scales in thirds and sixths is indeed a hurdle to jump, but I wonder whether stuff like that truly is a vital causal factor in attaining good technique.

Re: /At what age do people usually get grade 8 abrsm in piano [Re: theJourney] #1655641
04/06/11 10:20 AM
04/06/11 10:20 AM
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,965
London, UK
K
kevinb Offline
1000 Post Club Member
kevinb  Offline
1000 Post Club Member
K

Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,965
London, UK
Originally Posted by theJourney
The exams have definitely been dumbed down. The lower grades now include arrangements of tunes rather than just piano pieces.


If you're meaning the piano arrangements of Eric Clapton and Joni Mitchell, etc.: I'm not sure these are any easier to play that the baroque/classical stuff at the same grade. And given the age at which people normally take these grades, it's not even as if they're more likely to know the tunes. To my kids, Eric Clapton and Bach are essentially contemporaries.

I'd go even further: the Eric Clapton piece in (I think it was) last session's grade 2 is in four voices, and is probably the hardest piece in the grade 2 syllabus to play. Well, to play properly, anyway.

The ABRSM say that these arrangements are very popular exam choices, but I rather suspect they're more popular with student's parents smile


Re: /At what age do people usually get grade 8 abrsm in piano [Re: Gould] #1660673
04/15/11 01:13 PM
04/15/11 01:13 PM
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 3
T
Tixylix Offline
Junior Member
Tixylix  Offline
Junior Member
T

Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 3
Originally Posted by Vesivian
At what age do people usually get grade 8 abrsm in piano?

According to ABRSM statistics the average age of a Grade 8 candidate is 16 years and 9 months (16.74 years) (UCAS Tariff Expert Group Report, 2002, p.18). Another answer is 8-10 years after they start, on the understanding that it takes approximately one year between grades (These Music Exams , 2009, p.48) and that from beginner to Grade 1 takes 1-2 years (anecdotal).

These are just the figures; it doesn't matter how long you take.


"This must be Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays." - Arthur Dent
Re: /At what age do people usually get grade 8 abrsm in piano [Re: kevinb] #1660741
04/15/11 03:16 PM
04/15/11 03:16 PM
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 7,955
Orange County, CA
AZNpiano Offline
7000 Post Club Member
AZNpiano  Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 7,955
Orange County, CA
Originally Posted by kevinb
To my kids, Eric Clapton and Bach are essentially contemporaries.
[Linked Image]
Yeah?


Private Piano Teacher and MTAC Member
Page 2 of 3 1 2 3

Moderated by  Brendan, Kreisler 

Shop Our Online Store!
Shop Our Store Online
Shop PianoSupplies.com

Did you know Piano World has an online store, and that it's loaded with goodies pianists and music lovers want?
Check it out and place your order.

Special Purchase!
Keyboard and Roses Piano Bench Cushion Keyboard & Roses 14"x30" piano bench cushions Regularly sold for $79 to $100, now only $39. (while supplies last)

(ad)
Pianoteq
PianoTeq Bechstein
(ad)
Faust Harrison Pianos
Faust Harrison 100+ Steinways
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Nord Stage 3 Keybed vs Stage 2 88
by Coker. 03/24/19 05:21 PM
Anyone learning from Schaum?
by Cheshire Chris. 03/24/19 03:34 PM
Piano room size
by Colin Miles. 03/24/19 12:49 PM
Books devoted to one piece
by Animisha. 03/24/19 12:06 PM
What's Hot!!
PIANO TEACHERS Please read this!
-------------------
European Tour for Piano Lovers
JOIN US FOR THE TOUR!
--------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums RULES & HELP
-------------------
ADVERTISE on Piano World
Forum Statistics
Forums41
Topics191,102
Posts2,810,403
Members92,866
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
Please Support Our Advertisers
Faust Harrison 100+ Steinways

Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver

Sweetwater

 Best of Piano Buyer

PianoTeq Bechstein
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers


 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter |


copyright 1997 - 2019 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.2