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Is Roland FP-7F the ultimate Portable Killer ?
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The FP-7F is an improved version of the FP-7, with Ivory feel keyboard and most importantly - Escapement.

Is FP-7F the portable digital piano killer of all time ? It seems to have everything.

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For all time? Probably for 6 months or so...


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Nope. At half the weight though, it would be amazing...


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Originally Posted by Cashley
The FP-7F is an improved version of the FP-7, with Ivory feel keyboard and most importantly - Escapement.

Is FP-7F the portable digital piano killer of all time ? It seems to have everything.


It doesn't have everything at all, but it does a great acoustic piano emulation amongst some usable other tones, as well as a killer acoustic piano type keyboard. It's not light but considering the built in speakers and more importantly, it's 88 key mechanisms, it's hardly likely that it would be an easy 'chuck under your arm' stage machine.

I know everyone wants a light machine but it's not going to happen any time soon while people are expecting all these flash acoustic piano type mechanics. We have to be realistic. Try being a bass player or a drummer and then people will realise that not every instrument is light and easy to transport around!

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What's so important about escapement?


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Originally Posted by Rimmer

I know everyone wants a light machine but it's not going to happen any time soon while people are expecting all these flash acoustic piano type mechanics. We have to be realistic. Try being a bass player or a drummer and then people will realise that not every instrument is light and easy to transport around!

When I started my musical ventures in the late 70s I thought nothing of lugging a Yamaha CP30, a Wurlitzer piano, a Hammond X-2, a Moog Prodigy, a Korg Delta, a 15-inch plus mid-range and horn cabinet, and a ridiculously heavy Yamaha powered mixer to gigs. At one point I even seriously considered buying a CP70 to gig with! Now, with most of my lower discs crushed, I need to make the most of today's lightweight materials. I accept that there are limits to achieving a superior-quality action within a very lightweight board, but there is no reason for the sound engine to be compromised at all. This has been my major beef in recent months. Only Nord (and, to a certain extent, Korg with their SV-1) seem to realize that there are players out there who want the best sound in a lightweight package. Why cannot Kawai, Roland and Yamaha rise to the challenge? There are a lot of players adversely affected by age, stature or infirmity. Keeping fit is only part of the solution.


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Originally Posted by BazC
What's so important about escapement?

I guess people who are used to it from grand pianos may find it more familiar, but it's not necessary for a good feel. After all, real pianos that aren't grand pianos don't have it. I'd be very happy with a piano action that was "only" as real feeling as a quality upright. No escapement necessary.

It's like graded action. It's a "flaw" of a real piano being engineered into DPs, and the reason they do it, as in the old riddle about why dogs lick their private parts, is because they can. Whereas other, more important elements of "real" feeling boards are absent, because they are more difficult to replicate.

I'm not saying that graded action of escapement are bad things, and they may be one more piece of illusion to help you forget about some of what's missing, but I don't think they're essential by any means. The presence of these things would neither increase nor decrease my interest in a board. It all comes down to playing them and seeing how the whole mechanism feels, however they got there.

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What's so important about escapement?

After all, real pianos that aren't grand pianos don't have it. I'd be very happy with a piano action that was "only" as real feeling as a quality upright. No escapement necessary.


All acoustic piano actions have escapement. The difference between upright and grand piano in the compartment of escapement is that grand piano actions have what is called 'double escapement'.


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I agree, I don't think the presence or absence of escapement would affect my choice of a board.


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Actually, I find Rolan'ds escapement distracting, so I preferred the FP-7 over some of the HP models for that. Although, the ivory feel keys would have been nice, maybe a toss-up.


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The acoustic piano makers may not have intended it when they constructed the escapement for acoustic pianos, but the escapement does have the effect of 'neutralizing' the force of the 'backlash' when the key hits the keyboard. This in turn reduces the force that is bounces back to your finger joints.

Don't your fingers ache after playing the digital piano for a long time ?

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I'm currently using a new FP-7F. Roland have done a very good job with this action. The escapement feeling is very subtle - more subtle than on a real grand and when played at anything above the lowest velocities is hardly noticeable. I still question the point of it on a digital piano...I suppose it is about similarity to a real grand, not about pleasure/expression/control/response...I don't see the escapement simulation assisting with any of these desirable attributes. But it is a nice action anyway!

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It diffuses potential stress on your finger joints caused by the rebound when the keys hit the keybed.

Imagine jumping down from a 3-storey building. When you hit the ground, you're almost sure that your ankles and knee joints will be gone. But if you happen to land on a stretched out canvas tent on the second storey and breaking the canvas sheet before hitting the ground, the force will be reduced.

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Originally Posted by EssBrace
The escapement feeling is very subtle - more subtle than on a real grand and when played at anything above the lowest velocities is hardly noticeable.

Same on our RD-700NX. I don't the notice the faux escapement unless I press the keys fairly slowly. Like the ivory feel, I was rather worried about the inclusion of this feature on the keyboard, but both seem to be fine (so far).


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