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and hopefully when playing back audio, it won't steal any notes from me

As you know better than most: who knows until we test for these things? And that's the heck* of it.

JHbackingtracks, you seem to be a master at lifting NX rocks so that we can all see the bugs underneath. Please report back on your experiences with the CP5/50.

* Has anyone else noticed that "H E double-hockey-sticks" gets automatically translated to "heck" on PW? What the heck's going on?

Sorry to keep 'hassling' you on this, but obviously I want to know everything on the matter...

I've just read the manual, and found an interesting 'keyon' feature where I could start the backing track from pressing any key (or as 'set' key) this is good! This is like the Audio Key in a way..... most the time I would only need the one trigger, unlike the audio key having an octaves worth of trigger keys.

So the question is, although the CP5 allows you to save your sounds/settings etc. Does it let you save the 'keyon' setting with it... and would it remember the backing track i want to start with that key on?? because ideally, I'd just like to press 'next' and go through all my set ups and the correct songs are stored to the 'keyon' setting... rather than having to go back into the menu and select the right song quick while I'm on stage etc.

Also, if I wanted to assign just the very bottom key to start the backing track for example, could I bypass the piano sound on that key??? I was thinking if you can't, maybe I could split the keyboard with another sound, make the split point the key before the bottom key, and then just turn it down all the way so only that note isn't active.

The thing that I like the sound of with the Roland audio key, is how I could assign more than 1 part to a key, which would be handy as I sometimes need to trigger little effects that last a few seconds, and I wouldn't have time to quickly go back and change the backing track I want to play, plus there would be a 'cut' in the sound as It wouldn't have enough time to finish... where as the audio key I could just press the next key and have the next sound assigned etc.

However... I wonder on the Roland, if you only have one key assigned, if the whole octave on the bottom becomes unplayable!

I'd really appreciate your answers to these questions If you know... you seem like a very good source on these forums

Thanks a lot, really appreciate it.

Bad news, I've read on another forum that the FP-7F has the same exact issue as the 700 NX. That is, polyphony issues with SuperNatural piano patches when layering them with other instruments and using sustain, and when playing over audio files.

This is a huge turnoff for me, since I'm not spending that kind of money for an handicapped instrument, and it's a real shame since I liked the feel of the keyboard and the SuperNatural engine.

Anyways, if you happen to try the FP-7F, JHbackingtracks would you please report your findings?

I guess I'll have to start searching again, probably considering differences between Yamaha P-155 and CP-50, and Kawai MP6, and possibly RD 300 NX if it does not suffer from the same issue.

*edited to include source, both discussions mention that there's the same issue on FP-7F, but they're in italian.

Please post your source.

It's not good enough to simply state 'I read this...' or 'I heard that...'.

Kind regards,
James
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I'm afraid it's not currently possible to use a pedal to trigger MP3/WAV playback on the MP6, only the 'PLAY' panel button. In my experience, Kawai's implementation of playing back MP3/WAV audio files from USB does not affect polyphony.

Kind regards,
James
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I'm also deciding between the FP-7F, MP6, or waiting for a Kawai ES6 replacement.The main things about the FP-7F for me are key noise and wear. Noise I hear is less than others but I'll have to try it. Wear not sure.

Besides the other issues. James, the MP6 doesn't seem to have a true triple pedal? I think you combine the included single and then get a double? That might be ok if it would support a possible future single triple pedal if they decided on one.

Mussorg,

Unfortunately Kawai does not produce a dedicated 3-pedal accessory for the MP6/MP10. As you note, the only solution is to use Kawai's F-10H single and F-20 double-pedal units combined.

For example:



Kind regards,
James
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I don't know what this polyphony nonsense is about and I don't have any key wear from 3 months of very heavy use (hours a day).

The polyphony on MP3 is so non-sensical to be. I plug in my Iphone/Ipod using the the Aux In of the FP7F and play whatever on it (Mp3, etc.) The sounds are mixed together. But they obviously do not affect the keyboard playing in any way since it's just audio and not digital.

Playing the MP3 directly on USB seems such an outdated concept in comparison.

What the heck are you guys playing that creates all these imagined limitations? It's a nice DP. That's all I need to say. SN Piano sounds great.

Non-keyboard related sounds like horn/sax are AWFUL however. Yamaha is better with those.

polyphony nonsense!? Trust me it's not nonsense.... I'm having to return my RD-700NX because of it, it's ridiculous (Although It's not really a polyphony issue) When paying about 6-8 notes or more, you can get this horrible 'cut off' and it IS an issue. If the same thing is happening on the FP-7F then there's just no point in the downgrade.

Although I'm very confused if the problem is still there or not, as someone has just said they found out the problem still exsists, and I've read on another post that someone tested this and the problem DOESN'T exsist... so very confused.

The playing audio direclty on USB is not outdated, and is a MUST-HAVE for me. I need to be able to trigger my audio backing tracks by pressing down on a foot pedal, or pressing an assigned key on the keyboard. As I need to be able to access different parts quickly on stage etc. I can't be doing with having an iPod plugged in (something else to think about) and having to quickly select the song and press play with another device in the way etc.

I should be able to do what the DP claims to do (without any problems!) Surely you must agree?

So are you saying you can't replicate this note 'cut off' problem at all??? and can you when playing back .WAV using the audio key??

This is the problem I was having on my NX www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNNGiJjPEI4 - So maybe you could confirm for me if it happens to you with your FP?? If so, I'll be very annoyed there's another option down the drain.

Thanks

Thanks James, Nice to hear it doesn't affect polyphony... but shame I can't trigger from anything else.

Do you know any of the answers to the Yamaha CP5 questions I asked above?? If the answers are the ones I hope to hear, maybe that'll be another option for me... as it sounds like the FP-7F might be having the same issues I hope not though!!

Thank you

Yes, that'd be a handy feature - I'll have to suggest it to the MP chaps for a future software update.

As for your CP5 related questions, I'm afraid I do not know.



Well, I would be more inclined to wait for a response from Roland on this point. Internet forums are certainly a useful resource, however not everything posted on them is factually correct all the time.

Kind regards,
James
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Okay. I just tried this and I can't get any notes to drop or do anything weird. (NOTE* I was playing back a WAVE file as I was struggling with it recognising my MP3 conversions for some reason). I have to add that I am a learner so I am not that proficient at scales and such like. I did the 'two palms down on the piano' test ( ) so i've hit a load of notes at the same time (not easy to hear but).

So. Not a definitive test but a result of sorts.. I'll try some more tests and if I hear any duff notes i'll post here again..

Regards. Rimmer

This is a relief! Thanks for testing it, and please keep us posted even if you do some more tests without finding any oddities

If you could hit a two-hands 8-notes chord repeatedly while keeping down the sustain pedal, that'd be the "Beethoven test" for me, and if the result is positive, would make it a deal for me.

I'm so close to finally ordering now! :P

Tried that. I can't get it to do anything weird.. I could always play a Beethoven midi file through it while the wave plays I suppose..


Regards. Rimmer

If you'd be so kind, I can provide you with two midi files which I think may be a good test for the FP-7F:

Beethoven "Hammerklavier" sonata, 1st mov

Beethoven "Waldstein" sonata, 1st mov

with the first being the most taxing. I'd like to know how it plays even while not playing a wav file in the background. If you could also record the output of the FP-7F, that'd be great.

Thanks for your patience..

Thanks for testing and reporting back Rimmer! On our NX an MP3 seems to load the system more than a WAV.

What I do is like in the video:
1. I play a WAV or MP3 file & turn the volume of the file playing down while leaving the volume of the DP up.
2. Play several consecutive white keys simultaneously with my hand. Play in a very quick stacatto fashion, making the repeat time as short as possible.

I don't have to use the pedal at all.

Thanks a lot!

That's nice to hear... and a relief!!

The problem doesn't actually occur on the NX with sustain... it seems to be just the ending of the notes that 'cut' (even when playing slowly sometimes and in a non staccato manner)

I'd be playing back WAV anyway, so great to hear you can't get the problem... especially if you've done the palms of hands all over!

Of course I'll try this myself before I buy, as I need to make 100% sure (not that I doubt you) and still waiting to hear back from this Roland guy who has contacted Japan about the issue to see if any other issues will magically appear.

Nice to know this sounds like it's going to be another option now even if I am loosing countless features downgrading from the NX!

I'll report back with the CP5 test as well....

Cheers

I am happy to do a recording of the output of the FP-7F with those midi files and i'll try and get it to give me a positive response to the Mp3's i'm throwing at it. If the system is on the edge, then playing an Mp3 instead of a Wave might give it too much to think about.

Problem is, i'm going away working until late next week so I wont get a chance now. I simply don't have any time left this evening to do it so if someone wants to remind me the end of next week then it shall be done..!

Cheers. Rimmer

I have some news regarding the issues of note stealing.

I pointed those three videos ( one two three ) to an owner of an FP-7F, a youtube user, and I got this response (he consented to putting it here):