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Re: Korg Kronos, 4GB pianosample in hardware!
Dave Ferris #1626874 02/23/11 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave Ferris
A new demo Mr. Busch posted over on KC. This is the non-weighted version.


That sounds really really good. Korg may have hit a serious homerun with the Kronos AP sound. Unfortunately they didn't update the action.


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Is it my computer, or is this out of sync , fake, or both ?

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Re: Korg Kronos, 4GB pianosample in hardware!
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RH3 is really a shame for such a top-of-the line instrument. Don't understand why nobody of the Korg guys figured that out. If they would bring out a rack version (or better desktop unit!) of the Kronos that would solve the problem, because then it will be easy to use your own preferred masterkeyboard/stagepiano. However, since rack modules have been out of grace for a while , that seems very unlikely.

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Originally Posted by JFP
RH3 is really a shame for such a top-of-the line instrument. Don't understand why nobody of the Korg guys figured that out. If they would bring out a rack version (or better desktop unit!) of the Kronos that would solve the problem, because then it will be easy to use your own preferred masterkeyboard/stagepiano. However, since rack modules have been out of grace for a while , that seems very unlikely.

My solution would be to buy the Kronos 61 and stack it on top of whatever 88 controller you like. It's cheapest and lightest, and would give you a good non-weighted keyboard for organ/synth to supplement your 88 of choice.

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Korg came up with an impressive acoustic piano sounds, to my ears comparable wihth the best vst libraries.

For me the RH3 is not a bad action, it's responsive and fun to play. Of course it's not the best, but if a lot of keyboardists are buying the Nord Piano which action is comparable if not worse (to me is worse) to the RH3 I don't see the problem with the RH3.


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Originally Posted by Suryaman
Korg came up with an impressive acoustic piano sounds, to my ears comparable wihth the best vst libraries.

For me the RH3 is not a bad action, it's responsive and fun to play. Of course it's not the best, but if a lot of keyboardists are buying the Nord Piano which action is comparable if not worse (to me is worse) to the RH3 I don't see the problem with the RH3.



I agree with you on the sounds, but we differ on the actions. To me the RH3 feels somewhat dead, and sluggish. While the NP88's action is lighter (not by much) it's faster and connects very nicely with the sound. I liked the SV-1 88 when I played it and dug the vintage sounds, but the action was something to be desired. Personal preference of course!

On a slightly side note, a friend of ours is storing his Kimball 6'7" 6760 grand piano at our office. It's one of the Viennese Series grands and is a pretty darn good sounding and decent playing piano, but is just light years ahead of every digital piano I've played including the V-Piano. My NP88 felt VERY light having been playing on that lately. There's nothing comparable to a real grand action...but a real grand action.

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Another Kronos demo, in high def. Expand the comments to jump ahead in the video to the various engines.

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RH3 is really a shame for such a top-of-the line instrument. Don't understand why nobody of the Korg guys figured that out. If they would bring out a rack version (or better desktop unit!) of the Kronos that would solve the problem, because then it will be easy to use your own preferred masterkeyboard/stagepiano. However, since rack modules have been out of grace for a while , that seems very unlikely.

My solution would be to buy the Kronos 61 and stack it on top of whatever 88 controller you like. It's cheapest and lightest, and would give you a good non-weighted keyboard for organ/synth to supplement your 88 of choice.


Does anyone really make a good 88 key controller anymore?


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Re: Korg Kronos, 4GB pianosample in hardware!
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From the original Post, at 1:49, the keyboard sounds like it has a really annoying plastic sound. Is it because it's the unweighted keyboard ?

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"Does anyone really make a good 88 key controller anymore?"

That's something that had been discussed on the Forum in several threads. If you mean master-keyboard controller in the old fashioned way - I would say "no". But there are some good stage piano's with controller features in the market. Unfortunately none of them features after-touch , but I'm not even sure the Kronos still has an after-touch enhanced RH3 keybed, so that wouldn't make a difference. Still these stage-piano's have better action than the RH3 in my view. And if you are already using additional keyboards, then a desktop version Kronos that you place on the surface of your master-keyboard would be very nice to have.

Ok, nothing's perfect , I know...

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The Kronos sounds good, especially the new grand piano samples, but that is WAY too much instrument for me. Give me a couple outstanding AP sounds, some outstanding EP sounds, and I'm good. 9 complete synthesis engines in one board...good grief! This thing reminds me of the OASYS...except at least it sounds good.


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1-2 weeks according to Korg artists rep and we shall know for sure.


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I love how he segues from Top of the World to Mercy, Mercy, Mercy smile

Seriously, it sounds great.

The trouble for me with Kronos is, for something costing considerably upwards of 3,000 UKP, you're still stuck with that sluggish RH3 action and a weight close to what I'm already lugging.

Don't get me wrong - as a workstation, the Kronos is great value for money. But viewed as a purchase primarily as a digital piano, the lines of weight, action and price don't intersect at the right point for me.

Had one of those factors been different (weight in the -20kg category, action comparable with top-end Roland or Yamaha) I would have probably already reached for the credit card and have one on pre-order.


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Originally Posted by Aidan


The trouble for me with Kronos is, for something costing considerably upwards of 3,000 UKP, you're still stuck with that sluggish RH3 action and a weight close to what I'm already lugging.


You make some good points, but I wonder whether the action can be made to feel different with all the tweakable parameters of the Kronos? I mean, you see demos of Jordan Rudess playing it and he gets some freakish speed going there. I know he is a monster player, but surely if the action is that sluggish, it wouldn't be capable of the sort of speed and agility he demonstrates. Not only that, but he seems positively enraptured by the thing.

I understand why you say it, I've tried the RH3 action on lower priced models and it didn't excite me too much, but I wouldn't discount the sound/response component of that. Perhaps with a customised velocity curve and the great samples and tweaks, it can be made to feel very nice.

It's certainly not a DP though! I'd kill to have a beast like this but it's terribly expensive for my budget.

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Actions can certainly be tweaked - the Fatar action on the Nord Piano 88 is an example of that. Also, as I remarked in a previous thread, the fact that the action will have aftertouch sensors fitted to it may radically alter the feel of the RH3 compared to, say, the SV-1. For better or worse, naturally.

It's not that the RH3 is a "bad" action per se but everyone has individual goals and priorities when looking at a potential purchase. I'd primarily use it as a digital piano and from that standpoint, I see too much weight, too much money and an unspectacular action.

Similarly, if I were in the market for a "do-it-all" one keyboard rig, there are still some things that machines like the Kurzweil PC3X and Yamaha Motif XF do better, for slightly (Yamaha) or substantially (Kurzweil) less money. Note, I'm not talking about a feature-for-feature comparison here, but audible results.





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he seems positively enraptured by the thing.



Yeah, sure.

Positively enraptured by the money from Korg.

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