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......Horowitz's...performance of the Dichterliebe with Fischer-Dieskau in the mid-'70's at a big celebration where numerous greats performed....
Did you have the great good fortune to actually be there, or is this available on recording somewhere?
Wasn't there, but have it on LP. I was going to tell more about it, but I can do better than that -- I can show you. It's on youtube (in 3 parts), with an image of the LP right at the beginning (and you can see some of the other names that performed at the concert).
Horowitz's playing is (as usual) a little controversial. Some feel he didn't do the usual good collaborative thing that one should do. I feel what I said.
Yeah.. I see what you are saying (long-windedly.. ).....
Thanks -- but please show me any words or phrases that you think were extraneous.
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.....sure, the definition of musicianship can be subjective.. Just not as subjective as you present it to be.
Since you want me to be briefer, I will: You're wrong.
Look how different our definitions are. If you really think Argerich's playing more chamber music has anything to do with a comparison of their musicianship (I can't tell if you do, because you seemed perhaps to somewhat take it back or minimize it in that last post).....if you do, then our definitions are very, very far apart.
P.S. I could have done without one of those "very's."
......Horowitz's...performance of the Dichterliebe with Fischer-Dieskau in the mid-'70's at a big celebration where numerous greats performed....
Did you have the great good fortune to actually be there, or is this available on recording somewhere?
Wasn't there, but have it on LP. I was going to tell more about it, but I can do better than that -- I can show you. It's on youtube (in 3 parts), with an image of the LP right at the beginning (and you can see some of the other names that performed at the concert).
Horowitz's playing is (as usual) a little controversial. Some feel he didn't do the usual good collaborative thing that one should do. I feel what I said.
(I can't tell if you do, because you seemed perhaps to somewhat take it back or minimize it in that last post).....if you do, then our definitions are very, very far apart.
P.S. I could have done without one of those "very's."
I did not take it back. Not sure where/why you "detected" that. Actually the fact that his lieder playing impressed you by its "musicianship" speaks in favor of my definition, like it or not. To clarify again: I am not equating musicianship simply with "playing chamber music", but proposing that doing so brilliantly speaks additional volumes about an artist's musical abilities. In fact dismissing that component altogether when comparing those two otherwise very accomplished artists, is odd, IMHO!!
Good grief, bloody heck. Rubinstein's octaves over Argerich? What are you smoking? There is a lot I admire about Rubinstein -and those treacherous octaves in the Chopin F minor Fantasy are well addressed- but in general Rubinstein's octaves are the Toyota Camry compared to Argerich's BMW 3 series.
Watch this interesting interview with Sir Charles Groves. There is some great footage of Argerich's octaves (they are really awesome), also her priceless English: 'I am not afraid of speed on the contrary, on the contrary that is my problem.'
Good grief, bloody heck. Rubinstein's octaves over Argerich? What are you smoking? There is a lot I admire about Rubinstein -and those treacherous octaves in the Chopin F minor Fantasy are well addressed- but in general Rubinstein's octaves are the Toyota Camry compared to Argerich's BMW 3 series.
Sorry, I was sidetracked on the musicality comments, though a very young Rubinstein showed evidence of playing octaves as he pleased. Argerich is very fast but I'm bored by her playing. It sounds very thoughtless and rushed to me. (of course I don't expect you to agree with this either)
Argerich is very fast but I'm bored by her playing. It sounds very thoughtless and rushed to me. (of course I don't expect you to agree with this either)
Well of course not, no more than we agree politically.
At least disagreements over Argerich do not constitute a danger to the well being humanity. Ha ha!
BTW, please change my name on the Liszt e-cital to 'argerichfan', not 'Argerichfan'. Always the small capital 'a' out of respect.
Practising the 'Preludio' is going well, but it is not a piece new to my repertoire. Just trying to get the damn thing back into my hands.
Argerich is very fast but I'm bored by her playing. It sounds very thoughtless and rushed to me. (of course I don't expect you to agree with this either)
Well of course not, no more than we agree politically.
At least disagreements over Argerich do not constitute a danger to the well being humanity. Ha ha!
Yes, some want humanity to continue while others prefer to have humans mimic the behaviour of ants.
Originally Posted by argerichfan
BTW, please change my name on the Liszt e-cital to 'argerichfan', not 'Argerichfan'. Always the small capital 'a' out of respect.
OK
Originally Posted by argerichfan
Practising the 'Preludio' is going well, but it is not a piece new to my repertoire. Just trying to get the damn thing back into my hands.
Mine are all new to me, but I always meant to add them.
Mine are all new to me, but I always meant to add them.
So you just started? Get to work, matey!
I'm working harder on this than most things in a long time. Getting back on topic, I think the thing that makes Horowitz's octaves so compelling is the way he finishes them. For instance, in the G minor Ballade ascending runs he accelerates them to the last note. I've noticed that he drops a thumb here and there, but the overall effect is hair-raising. Katsaris has some fast octaves too.
