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#1623222 - 02/18/11 07:55 PM CP5 vs RD700NX vs Nord Piano  
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I finally had the opportunity to play all three next to each other. I think at this point I've ruled out the Yamaha CP5, the piano is so perfect and pristine that it almost seemed bland next to the RD and NP. The Yamaha also had limited piano voicing (two voicings with some minor variations). I almost felt the CP5 voicings were no better then some of the add on voices that I've loaded into my Motif ES.

The RD pianos sounded great although everything was so harmonically rich as to be almost overwhelming. Hard to explain. The is just so much going on that it was almost distracting. Kind of the polar opposite of the CP5.

I really liked the NP, a lot of variation. The uprights were really fun. There was so much life and realism and the imperfections in the source pianos were strangely endearing. These was some comfort in the fact that these pianos sounded like acoustic pianos I've played in the past.

So, in ranking of keyboard feel from better to worse RD, CP5 then the NP. The RD was just wonderful, felt so confident and in control on it. The ND felt weighted but was just too light. I tried adjusting the sensitivity but I believe the default was already at the "hardest" curve. The NP feel was perfect for the electric pianos which were just so fun to play.

Obviously from a UI perceptive it does not get easier then the NP. The RD was not too bad. I did have to read the manual for the CP5 to find my way around.

I'm not sure how long the RD700NX was on the floor at the store but the keys were pretty filthy and worn (grooved) although that texture actually felt good, kind of gave a grip.

So everything has its compromises, such as life. The lack of split capabilities on the NP is going to cause me some grief but being under 40 pounds and so small in footprint is very compelling.

So, this weekend, I'm going to make a choice, I been going through this process for months. I want to get this off my plate and mind and get back to what really makes me happy, playing music.




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#1623251 - 02/18/11 09:06 PM Re: CP5 vs RD700NX vs Nord Piano [Re: rickshapiro]  
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Thanks for the review Rick. That particular shootout is very interesting to me.

#1623331 - 02/18/11 11:33 PM Re: CP5 vs RD700NX vs Nord Piano [Re: rickshapiro]  
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Yeah those are all good pianos. To bad the Kawai MP10 wasn't thrown into the mix for this review also. Let us know which you pick.

#1623441 - 02/19/11 05:28 AM Re: CP5 vs RD700NX vs Nord Piano [Re: KHen]  
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Originally Posted by KHen
Yeah those are all good pianos. To bad the Kawai MP10 wasn't thrown into the mix for this review also. Let us know which you pick.


Me too, the dealer carried Kawai, but claimed they were two new. I'm not sure that is the case. Finding Kawai's seems harder then finding Nords. I think the 70+ pounds would have ruled out the MP10, I would need a road crew.

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#1623443 - 02/19/11 05:49 AM Re: CP5 vs RD700NX vs Nord Piano [Re: rickshapiro]  
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I currently have a CP5 but am seriously considering the Nord to try to drop some weight. The Nord also has the best mono performance of the three (the Yamaha actually has no mono pianos), which is an important consideration when gigging and feeding FOH systems.


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#1623663 - 02/19/11 01:21 PM Re: CP5 vs RD700NX vs Nord Piano [Re: rickshapiro]  
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I'm glad you got to play all three back to back. I'm telling you, the NP88 grows on you. I don't know what it is. Essbrace mentioned that to me before I bought my NP88, and he couldn't have been more correct. I could use a heavier action, but I could also use a Steinway B. My point is that through my expensive pursuit of the 'perfect' DP I finally realized that it's really a pursuit of the best compromises. For me it was the NP88. You mentioned wanting a DP with great acoustic and electric pianos, lightweight, etc...and that's the Nord. If you choose the NP88, you'll be glad you did. Plus I think you're going to love the ease of deleting and uploading new samples, plus you're gonna be blown away by the Bosendorfer sample (get it in XL size-it's worth it).

Good luck with your decision.

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#1623769 - 02/19/11 05:02 PM Re: CP5 vs RD700NX vs Nord Piano [Re: PianoZac]  
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My order of preference is...CP5, Nord Piano, 700NX.


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#1623848 - 02/19/11 06:50 PM Re: CP5 vs RD700NX vs Nord Piano [Re: rickshapiro]  
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Yes, interesting comparison and I think I agree with all of the OP's findings. It's nice to have such a great choice these days.

Steve

#1624064 - 02/20/11 04:23 AM Re: CP5 vs RD700NX vs Nord Piano [Re: PianoZac]  
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Originally Posted by PianoZac
through my expensive pursuit of the 'perfect' DP I finally realized that it's really a pursuit of the best compromises.


Anyone in the market for a DP would do well to take this on board. smile


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#1625040 - 02/21/11 10:13 AM Re: CP5 vs RD700NX vs Nord Piano [Re: Aidan]  
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Originally Posted by Aidan
Originally Posted by PianoZac
through my expensive pursuit of the 'perfect' DP I finally realized that it's really a pursuit of the best compromises.


Anyone in the market for a DP would do well to take this on board. smile

As simple a concept as it appears, unfortunately, I learned after a lot of money had been spent. tired

Which way did you decide Rick? The NP88 smile or CP5 seemed to suit you best.


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#1625066 - 02/21/11 10:49 AM Re: CP5 vs RD700NX vs Nord Piano [Re: PianoZac]  
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Originally Posted by PianoZac
Originally Posted by Aidan
Originally Posted by PianoZac
through my expensive pursuit of the 'perfect' DP I finally realized that it's really a pursuit of the best compromises.


Anyone in the market for a DP would do well to take this on board. smile

As simple a concept as it appears, unfortunately, I learned after a lot of money had been spent. tired

Which way did you decide Rick? The NP88 smile or CP5 seemed to suit you best.


I'm pathetic, I went and played the RD and CP5 again, like both of them. I'm really concerned about liking the Nord keybed in the long term. I've also been playing my soft pianos (True Piano and all the pianos with Kcomplete) and really like the flexibility of software. I'm again thinking about just finding the best action and lugging around a small computer with softsynths.

I really need some more time on the Nord, the problem is it is an hour drive into NYC which is the only place where this a Nord Piano in the area.


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#1625079 - 02/21/11 11:02 AM Re: CP5 vs RD700NX vs Nord Piano [Re: rickshapiro]  
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My other thought is drive the Nord from my KS32 when at home. I really like the feel of the KS32. Take the Nord out for gigs, enjoy the 40 pounds and the sound, use the KS32 to drive it at home.

Thanks,

Rick


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#1625111 - 02/21/11 11:33 AM Re: CP5 vs RD700NX vs Nord Piano [Re: rickshapiro]  
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Hello rickshapiro

I was in the same situation as you.
I spent several hours in my local music shop playing the RD-700NX and CP-5... Some days I preferred the Yamaha, other days the Roland.
Finally two weeks ago I bought the Nord Piano without trying it (I was only able to try the Nord Stage in another shop).

Altough I was at first disappointed and still have several criticisms regarding the Nord Piano (I will write later on this) I'm now very happy.

Unfortunately, all these 3 DPs have pros and cons.
But IMHO, the Nord Piano is currently one of the DP that sounds the best in live situations. To me, it is the only DP which reproduces the rich overtones of an acoustic piano in the middle register.
The action isn't very good indeed, it feels really plastic, but, altough it lacks dynamics in the pianissimo, the expressivity is very good.
Also, I have an acoustic upright and play weekly on a grand, so I can practice my technique on "true" pianos.
To me, the compromise was to choose the DP that sounds the best to my ears in live situations.
Moreover, I went to the conclusion that, anyway, no DP action comes close to an acoustic piano.
Of course, I would prefer to have the action of the CP-5 or the Roland on the NP...

Regards,

Benoît



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#1625137 - 02/21/11 11:57 AM Re: CP5 vs RD700NX vs Nord Piano [Re: Benoit N]  
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Originally Posted by rickshapiro
My other thought is drive the Nord from my KS32 when at home. I really like the feel of the KS32. Take the Nord out for gigs, enjoy the 40 pounds and the sound, use the KS32 to drive it at home.

Thanks,

Rick


Yeah Rick, I think you are facing what so many of us face. That's why I wrote what I wrote above. It really comes down to very personal tastes and compromises. For me, even though the action isn't as good as the CP5/RD700NX, I liked everything else about the Nord better, and it grew on me BIG time after spending hours with it. I think in the end, you'd probably be very happy with the purchase of any of these boards. It's a shame the MP10 weighs so much, because I think it misses out in a lot of comparisons for gigging musicians due to the 70lb. weight.

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Hello rickshapiro


Altough I was at first disappointed and still have several criticisms regarding the Nord Piano (I will write later on this) I'm now very happy.

Unfortunately, all these 3 DPs have pros and cons.
But IMHO, the Nord Piano is currently one of the DP that sounds the best in live situations. To me, it is the only DP which reproduces the rich overtones of an acoustic piano in the middle register.
The action isn't very good indeed, it feels really plastic, but, altough it lacks dynamics in the pianissimo, the expressivity is very good.
Also, I have an acoustic upright and play weekly on a grand, so I can practice my technique on "true" pianos.
To me, the compromise was to choose the DP that sounds the best to my ears in live situations.
Moreover, I went to the conclusion that, anyway, no DP action comes close to an acoustic piano.
Of course, I would prefer to have the action of the CP-5 or the Roland on the NP...

Regards,

Benoît



And this is the truth. There is no DP, except probably some of the highest end DPs, that can reproduce a truly 'realistic' feeling playing experience. Once I realized that my long search for the best action was really all for not, I started examining the things that should matter more in a DP for me. Sound, weight, flexibility, ease of use, etc, and after careful and long hours playing many instruments, and some wonderful advice from some users on here, EssBrace and Dave Ferris, I decided on the Nord Piano. I'm really glad I chose it. It exceeds in all my criteria.

Now, it's time to start looking for more space to live so that I can look for a real instrument...probably 6' grand. I think my wife could deal with that. smile


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#1625709 - 02/22/11 02:57 AM Re: CP5 vs RD700NX vs Nord Piano [Re: rickshapiro]  
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How do you find the Nord for playing classical for example. I do like the Nord sound but fear that when I have to play on an acoustic I will suffer because of the ungraded light key action.

Opinions would be appreciated thanks!

#1625715 - 02/22/11 03:45 AM Re: CP5 vs RD700NX vs Nord Piano [Re: rickshapiro]  
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Take a look at Zac's other post here:

http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1620739

Cheers,
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