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Wow, nice one Pinipon!

Thanks for putting this together, and of course to TADutchman for his great work in extending the range of sound capable with the CA93/CA63.

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Thanks, guys.

Now, let's continue the Quest for new Harmonics: bells & basses this time! cool yippie


BRUTAL BASS BÖSENDORFER R1.0

Dual Voice: Studio Grand, volume 6 + Mellow Grand 2, volume 4

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +3, mid +4, high +3

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: bright1
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 7
2 - 3 String resonance: 5
2 - 4 Key off effect: 9
2 - 5 Touch: light

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Hall 1

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 3


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What about an amped non-percussive Electric Grand with warm and smooth sustain? shocked wink


YAMAHA CP70/CP80 ELECTRIC GRAND R1.0 (CA93 only)

Dual Voice: Modern E.P. 3, volume 6 + Mellow Grand 2, volume 4

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low -6, mid +6, high -6

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: mellow2
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 10
2 - 5 Touch: light+

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Stage

Effect: Tremolo: rate 4, depth 4


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About one week ago, I told TheJourney that I would do a Roland HP series and a Yamaha CLP series emulator in order to demonstrate the CA93/CA63's unique tweakability.

Well, here is the Roland version; you might even like it... whistle grin

Keywords: over-processed piano sound, dynamic decay, muffled pianissimo, harsh mid-high freq fortissimo (including duplex scale), sounds best from a distance. wink


ROLAND HP307 EMULATOR R1.0

Dual Voice: Studio Grand, volume 7 + Studio Grand, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +5, mid -3, high +5

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 8
2 - 3 String resonance: 8
2 - 4 Key off effect: 8
2 - 5 Touch: heavy

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Hall 1

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 2


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Do you need a drink now or after detuning? confused crazy sick


PUB PIANO SING-A-LONG R1.0

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 6 + Mellow Grand, volume 4

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +1, mid +2, high -6

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 6
2 - 3 String resonance: 6
2 - 4 Key off effect: 4
2 - 5 Touch: normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: +1
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Stage

Effect: none


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...and here is the Yamaha version! whistle

Keywords: dynamic 2008 DP sound with key-off samples, bright attack fortissimo, tinny timbre, close enough for jazz (pop & classical). wink


YAMAHA CLP370/CLP380 EMULATOR R1.0

Dual Voice: Jazz Grand, volume 7 + Mellow Grand 2, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low -3, mid -2, high +1

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 5
2 - 3 String resonance: off (CLP370) / 4 (CLP380)
2 - 4 Key off effect: 6
2 - 5 Touch: normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: +1
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Hall 1

Effect: Delay 2, time 2, depth 2


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Improved balance and control of this huge Grand: wow


BRUTAL BASS BÖSENDORFER R2.0

Dual Voice: Studio Grand, volume 6 + Mellow Grand 2, volume 4

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +3, mid +3, high +4

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 7
2 - 3 String resonance: 5
2 - 4 Key off effect: 10
2 - 5 Touch: light

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Hall 1

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 5


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I'll be leaving on a business trip for a few days: this is an invitation to post your hints & suggestions in the meantime... smile



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Here are some slight optimisations, the yamaha emulator update will follow shortly...


ROLAND HP307 EMULATOR R1.1

Dual Voice: Studio Grand, volume 7 + Studio Grand, volume 3

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +5, mid -3, high +2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 7
2 - 3 String resonance: 5
2 - 4 Key off effect: 8
2 - 5 Touch: heavy

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Hall 1

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 3


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...quite some 'bright light' changes this time:


YAMAHA CLP370/CLP380 EMULATOR R2.0

Dual Voice: Jazz Grand, volume 9 + Mellow Grand 2, volume 1

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low -2, mid -2, high +2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: bright1
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 5
2 - 3 String resonance: off (CLP370) / 4 (CLP380)
2 - 4 Key off effect: 6
2 - 5 Touch: normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: -1
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 5

Reverb: Hall 1

Effect: none


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Recently, I came across an instrument joke. Just can't resist to post it here:

How do you tell the difference between a violinist and a dog?
The dog knows when to stop scratching.
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HOLLYWOOD STRINGS R1.0

Dual Voice: Soft Orchestra, volume 4 + Soft Orchestra, volume 6

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +4, high -2
1 - 8 Damper hold: On

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 5 Touch: normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: +1
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 3, time 4, depth 3


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Let's get serious again: I've found a way to add some lively cross resonance to and blend in a whole series of other complex harmonics with the factory Mellow Grand sound. Now it really sings! cool smile wow


STEINWAY GRAND DEVOTION R1.0 (CA93 only)

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 9 + Finger Nylon Gt, volume 1

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low 0, mid -2, high +1

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal (open-lid) / mellow1 (half closed-lid)
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 5
2 - 5 Touch: normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: -1
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Stage

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 3


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Is it possible to utilize an external media to load/save custom settings, e.g. USB stick, or do I have to program every setting manually?



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Originally Posted by Arnoh
Is it possible to utilize an external media to load/save custom settings, e.g. USB stick, or do I have to program every setting manually?

Hi Arnoh, good question. smile

USB stick loading/saving of custom settings is a firmware request I made a few Months ago for the CA93/CA63: I've seen last week that such functionality will be available in the upcoming MP10/MP6. I expect that Kawai will also include this feature in a future CA93/CA63 firmware update (v1.08 perhaps?). whistle

In the meantime, the CA93/CA63 do offer 1 user memory (which boots after power on) and 8 panel registration memories, so a total of 9 custom settings can already now be manually set-up once and stored permanently. This will typically take 1-2 minutes/setting (after having checked the user manual)...


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Originally Posted by TADutchman
USB stick loading/saving of custom settings is a firmware request I made a few Months ago for the CA93/CA63: I've seen last week that such functionality will be available in the upcoming MP10/MP6. I expect that Kawai will also include this feature in a future CA93/CA63 firmware update (v1.08 perhaps?). whistle


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Remember Elton John's bright grand piano for playing pop ballads live? wink


RED PIANO - IN CONCERT R1.0

Dual Voice: Studio Grand, volume 6 + Pop Piano, volume 4

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low -6, mid -4, high 0

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 7
2 - 3 String resonance: 7
2 - 4 Key off effect: 5
2 - 5 Touch: normal

3 Key Settings
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9

Reverb: Hall 2

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 5


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just tried the BRUTAL BASS BÖSENDORFER R2.0 for 2 hours, with some adjustments for my taste and playing touch: I have to say shocked wow

PUB PIANO SING-A-LONG R1.0 nice preset thumb

TADutchman, I've never tried the parameter "3 - 3 Layer octave" before your latests presets: great work. Combining with the layering technique, this feature improves further more the sound capabilities of the instrument...

I'm trying to play the STEINWAY GRAND DEVOTION R1.0 in my CA63 but I don't have the Finger Nylon Gt sound. Which of this is the more closer: Finger Bass or Pick Nylon Gt confused


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Originally Posted by Pinipon
just tried the BRUTAL BASS BÖSENDORFER R2.0 for 2 hours, with some adjustments for my taste and playing touch: I have to say shocked wow

Great to hear! Just out of curiosity, could you show us the Pinipon variation? wink


Originally Posted by Pinipon

I'm trying to play the STEINWAY GRAND DEVOTION R1.0 in my CA63 but I don't have the Finger Nylon Gt sound. Which of this is the more closer: Finger Bass or Pick Nylon Gt confused

Okay, let's clarify things a little: the Finger Bass is not really an option i.m.h.o., as it leads to clearly audible layering artifacts in the higher registers. Applying the Pick Nylon Gt leads to a more spacey sound (slightly less/more natural?); many people may actually like it. Another option is layering the Wood Bass, which makes the attack heavier and eh... woodier. smile

Basically, those were the reasons to finally select the Finger Nylon Gt; quite deceptively this doesn't seem to change the Mellow Grand's timbre, but it does increase playability in a Pianoteq kind of way, especially by making complex chords sound really alive and kicking! cool


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Here's a special update for everyone. In the process, why not make those resonant high notes and complex chords sound even more 'expensive Acoustic Grand'-like by way of some extra stretch tuning? whistle


STEINWAY GRAND DEVOTION R2.0

Dual Voice: Mellow Grand, volume 9 + Finger Nylon Gt (CA93 only) / Pick Nylon Gt (CA63/CA93), volume 1

1 Basic Settings
1 - 3 Tone control: low +1, mid -2, high +2

2 Virtual Technician
2 - 1 Voicing: normal (open-lid) / mellow 1 (half open-lid) / mellow 2 (closed-lid)
2 - 2 Damper resonance: 10
2 - 3 String resonance: 10
2 - 4 Key off effect: 5
2 - 5 Touch: normal
2 - 8 Stretch tuning: Wide

3 Key Settings
3 - 3 Layer octave: -1
3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

Reverb: Stage / Hall 1

Effect: Delay 2, time 1, depth 3

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Originally Posted by TADutchman
Originally Posted by Pinipon
just tried the BRUTAL BASS BÖSENDORFER R2.0 for 2 hours, with some adjustments for my taste and playing touch: I have to say shocked wow

Great to hear! Just out of curiosity, could you show us the Pinipon variation? wink


I like very much your setting but because pp are more difficult to play, and to make the sound not so bright and "clean" (due to light touch) I have made my own setting with the following changes:

Studio Grand, volume 5 + Mellow Grand 2, volume 5

1 - 3 Tone control: low +5, high +2

2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic
2 - 3 String resonance: 6
2 - 4 Key off effect: 9

3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10

I don't know if I'm going far away from a BÖSENDORFER sound with that preset (I've played a BÖSENDORFER Grand long time ago: but it was a very good and unforgettable experience)

please try and give me your feedback.

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