2017 was our 20th year online!

Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2.9 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Shop our online store for music lovers
SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad)
Petrof Pianos
Petrof Pianos
(ad)
Pianoteq
PianoTeq Karsten Collection
(ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
Who's Online Now
98 members (anotherscott, Boboulus, AZNpiano, 1957, 36251, 7kings, BadDude, 16 invisible), 545 guests, and 406 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 32 of 40 1 2 30 31 32 33 34 39 40
Re: THE RD-700NX Thread!
dewster #1611821 02/03/11 12:25 PM
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 79
B
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
B
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 79
Originally Posted by dewster
Originally Posted by B. Michels
1 - When the damper pedal is pressed, I find the Syn Resonance quite annoying and not realistic ( in the upper part of the keyboard , above middle C, rather than a subtle "string resonance", I hear a strange strong "windy" noise besides the note,). Way Too much effect ! For all the "ONE TOUCH PIANOS" It is set to :"Deph =52.

--> I have to lower it to 10 or set it OFF to have something realistic !

-> Strange nobody mentioned this ? (this problem occur only when the damper pedal is used)

Strange, I think the default level is rather low. Since the pedal sympathetic resonance is an in-line effect there are a ton of other parameters you can adjust other than the level, have you tried any of those?

Originally Posted by B. Michels
2 - I can edit only 9 of the 30 pianos sounds !

the manual says "In the ONE touch PIANO screen use the VALUE dial to select the variation that you want to edit... press (Tone Edit) button..."

But then I have, in the first highlighted line, access to only 9 pianos:

I believe you can pick among these 9 basic sounds or non-editable variations as starting points.

Originally Posted by B. Michels
For example, Rock Grand, Mellow Studio or Antique Piano 1 & 2 are missing and therefore NOT editable ??

If I select and play for example the Rock GRAND and then press (TONE EDIT) key, I am proposed to edit 001:Concert grand.

Rock Grand is based on the Concert Grand base voice.

Originally Posted by B. Michels
And.... what the heck are those Honkey-Kong 2 & 3 since we have only ONE Honkey-Kond sound accessible through the ONE TOUCH Tones ?

I'm not sure, but I think Honkey Tonk is a non-editable base variation which is itself based on Concert Grand. Honkey Tonk2 is probably based on Studio Grand. Honkey Tonk 3 is probably based on Brilliant Grand.

Originally Posted by B. Michels
3 - I am very surprised that for ALL the 9 pianos available through the (TONE EDIT) key, the EDIT parameters are all the same. I hope I don't have a defective RD700NX !

I think they have altered them to some degree and then have centered the available controls so that they all start at the same point. I agree that seeing what they did to get the various voices would have been less confusing and much more instructive.



You say "Honkey Tonk2 is probably based on Studio Grand. Honkey Tonk 3 is probably based on Brilliant Grand", but... I have only access to ONE Honkey Tonk sound to play that is in the Concert grand serie. So... how comes I can edit 3 variations of Honkey Kong, but only play ONE ????

Re: THE RD-700NX Thread!
dewster #1611853 02/03/11 01:15 PM
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 82
F
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
F
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 82
B. Michels, tried a factory reset?


RD-700NX (25 nov 2010)
Re: THE RD-700NX Thread!
thomsurf #1611855 02/03/11 01:18 PM
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 1,528
P
1000 Post Club Member
Offline
1000 Post Club Member
P
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 1,528
Originally Posted by thomsurf
Here's a video review of the 700NX

http://bcove.me/j27r9t9v

Found it on www.keyboardmag.com/Gear

That was a terrible review. Thanks for posting though. It was like watching Mr. Rogers give a technical lesson on digital piano sound production.


Kawai MP7SE w/ GFP-3
Re: THE RD-700NX Thread!
PianoZac #1611914 02/03/11 02:37 PM
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,675
dewster Offline OP
4000 Post Club Member
OP Offline
4000 Post Club Member
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,675
Originally Posted by PianoZac
That was a terrible review.

I agree. Really poor audio, and he's one of those people that uses swallowing as punctuation.

Re: THE RD-700NX Thread!
FredFabulous #1612010 02/03/11 04:23 PM
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 79
B
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
B
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 79
I did reset the 9 "ONE key" sounds. Is there a "complete" factory reset ?

Re: THE RD-700NX Thread!
B. Michels #1612020 02/03/11 04:37 PM
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,675
dewster Offline OP
4000 Post Club Member
OP Offline
4000 Post Club Member
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,675
Originally Posted by B. Michels
You say "Honkey Tonk2 is probably based on Studio Grand. Honkey Tonk 3 is probably based on Brilliant Grand", but... I have only access to ONE Honkey Tonk sound to play that is in the Concert grand serie. So... how comes I can edit 3 variations of Honkey Kong, but only play ONE ????

You can play all three by selecting them in the SN piano tone edit screen. Granted only one of them is represented in the Live Set presets, but who really cares? The honky-tonk sound isn't one I'm all that interested in.

After listening to them, I'm convinced the three honky-tonk pianos are based on the three base pianos (Concert, Studio, Brilliant). It makes sense that they provided a honky-tonk and mono version of each piano as a basis for patch building.

It doesn't seem to be a simple chorus effect, it really sounds like detuned unison strings. I wish we had a control for this, a smaller amount might be fairly interesting to apply to other piano presets.

I wish there was a control in there to set the level of L&R pan from bass to treble notes without collapsing the stereo image.

Re: THE RD-700NX Thread!
B. Michels #1612023 02/03/11 04:37 PM
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,675
dewster Offline OP
4000 Post Club Member
OP Offline
4000 Post Club Member
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,675
Originally Posted by B. Michels
Is there a "complete" factory reset ?

Menu | Utility | Factory Reset All

Re: THE RD-700NX Thread!
dewster #1612042 02/03/11 04:57 PM
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,675
dewster Offline OP
4000 Post Club Member
OP Offline
4000 Post Club Member
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,675
Originally Posted by dewster
... if I edit the system settings and set the "Part Mode" to "16PART" (rather than the default, which is "16PART + PERF") the voice playing is then whatever I pick from the front panel. The problem, as with other Roland SN DPs, is that the pedal sympathetic resonance and other sound effects are missing.

After some experimentation I'd like to amend my statement above.

Everything, including pedal sympathetic resonance, is audible when the NX is played via MIDI (provided you edit the "Part Mode" to "16PART").

The only thing missing that I can tell is the pedal-down sound effect ("loom of strings").
If anyone has a clue as to how to get this to play via MIDI I'm all ears.

Re: THE RD-700NX Thread!
dewster #1612085 02/03/11 05:43 PM
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 16,338
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 16,338
dewster, it sounds like you're doing a nice job of tweaking your NX for the DPBSD...or should that be tweaking the DPBSD for the NX? ;p

Cheers,
James
x


Employed by Kawai Japan, however the opinions I express are my own.
Nord Electro 3 & occasional rare groove player.

"I agree that the User Manual is very good." - arc7urus, March 2019
Re: THE RD-700NX Thread!
dewster #1612132 02/03/11 06:38 PM
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 79
B
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
B
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 79
Thanks Dewster

Last edited by B. Michels; 02/03/11 06:38 PM.
Re: THE RD-700NX Thread!
PianoZac #1612159 02/03/11 07:01 PM
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 167
T
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
T
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 167
Originally Posted by PianoZac
Originally Posted by thomsurf
Here's a video review of the 700NX

http://bcove.me/j27r9t9v

Found it on www.keyboardmag.com/Gear

That was a terrible review. Thanks for posting though. It was like watching Mr. Rogers give a technical lesson on digital piano sound production.


C'mon guys! You gotta love the way he plays with Wurly sound at 2:30 wink



Roland RD800, EV ZXA-1.
Re: THE RD-700NX Thread!
Kawai James #1612215 02/03/11 08:30 PM
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,675
dewster Offline OP
4000 Post Club Member
OP Offline
4000 Post Club Member
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,675
Originally Posted by Kawai James
...or should that be tweaking the DPBSD for the NX? ;p

I know you're kidding James, but in case you're sort of kidding on the square I probably owe you and others an explanation. It's true that I'm "teaching to the test" to some degree since the NX is the only DP we have at the moment. But the tests are widely applicable, and if I run across some aspect that the NX fails I'd be sure to shout it from the rooftops.

After all, it's not that my wife or I are particularly in love with the NX - it certainly has some good things going for it, but it has some warts as well. The DPBSD test additions and changes are mainly due to the fact that I'm spending a fair amount of time with the NX and it's making me think of new things and ways to test. The NX is fairly sophisticated as these things go, so I'm able to make tests that reveal more in there than in many DPs.

I added a really loud E6 to the beginning of the pedal sympathetic resonance test. This lets me hear both pedal symp res (when the pedal is down) and the duplex scale resonance (when the pedal is up). I should have done this in the first rev of the DPBSD MIDI file as it is much easier to hear the effect that with the old test, and probably on most or all DPs, not just the NX. I've gone round and round with this test for the duration of the project, trying to make the effect more audible.

I added the late pedal partial damping test because I didn't feel the quick partial damping test was player-centric enough. And I added the undampered transition test because it was easy. smile

Last edited by dewster; 02/03/11 11:40 PM. Reason: E6 not G6
Re: THE RD-700NX Thread!
dewster #1612222 02/03/11 08:40 PM
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 16,338
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 16,338
Great, thank you for clarifying these points.

Cheers,
James
x


Employed by Kawai Japan, however the opinions I express are my own.
Nord Electro 3 & occasional rare groove player.

"I agree that the User Manual is very good." - arc7urus, March 2019
Re: THE RD-700NX Thread!
dewster #1615140 02/08/11 03:59 AM
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 16
M
Junior Member
Offline
Junior Member
M
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 16
Update:

Unfortunately, the infamous ivory feel key wear issue hasn't been fixed. Middle C is already showing signs of wear. Maybe when it get worn enough I'll varnish it or something...

Re: THE RD-700NX Thread!
mah115 #1615281 02/08/11 12:17 PM
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 380
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 380
Sorry to hear of your troubles. Real pity that this is still an issue.


Live: Casio PX-5S | Hammond SK1
Studio: Yamaha CP4 | Hammond SK2 | Kurzweil PC361 | Moog Sub 37
Re: THE RD-700NX Thread!
dewster #1615908 02/09/11 07:19 AM
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 82
F
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
F
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 82
Are you guys washing your hands before you play? I see people of the opera do it all the time. Also they have guys cleaning the pianos with whiteboard cleaning fluid stuff like twice a day or something (ok maybe once a week but there's a lot of pianos here so there's always somebody tuning/rubbing something).

When I play guitar if I don't wash my hands the neck would clog up and loose the slipperiness in a week or two. I even keep a towel to wipe it clean afterwards. Maybe I should start doing that with the piano too?

By the way I've found the NX sounds a lot better when the volume is turned up quite loud. When volume is low I start to hear slight phasy sounds from the mid to mid-high notes and the bass boominess is gone. When cranked it sounds wonderful. Watch your ears though. I pulled the trigger on a pair of Genelec monitors the other day so I'll experiment with putting the monitors far away and crank the volume and see what happens.

Cheers
Fred


RD-700NX (25 nov 2010)
Re: THE RD-700NX Thread!
thomsurf #1617322 02/11/11 01:15 AM
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 8
S
Junior Member
Offline
Junior Member
S
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 8
Going to pick up this DP tomorrow as an early bday present for my wife. Just a quick question, does it come with any sort of key cover/dust protection device of any sort??

I am concerned by the note stealing issue, but everything else about the Piano screams quality, and I was considering the Korg SV-1 as an alternative, but my wife has her heart set on the roland.

Thanks in advance.

Re: THE RD-700NX Thread!
scotto #1617514 02/11/11 09:57 AM
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,675
dewster Offline OP
4000 Post Club Member
OP Offline
4000 Post Club Member
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,675
Originally Posted by scotto
Going to pick up this DP tomorrow as an early bday present for my wife. Just a quick question, does it come with any sort of key cover/dust protection device of any sort??

No. They make nice black elastic things you can buy, but we just lay a towel over ours when we're not using it.

Originally Posted by scotto
I am concerned by the note stealing issue...

More of a note damp stealing issue - notes play but they get rudely cut off at key lift. It's easy to reproduce, but you probably won't encounter it unless you play back an MP3 and attack the keys like a frenzied demon.

Re: THE RD-700NX Thread!
FredFabulous #1617564 02/11/11 11:12 AM
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 245
G
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
G
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 245
Hey,

finally !!! Thx for that one !!

I play the ORGAN and we have a bath tub nearby to wash our hands.

AND we play in socks and shoes are NOT allowed grin

Alexander

Re: THE RD-700NX Thread!
dewster #1617709 02/11/11 02:50 PM
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 121
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 121
Originally Posted by dewster

No. They make nice black elastic things you can buy, but we just lay a towel over ours when we're not using it.


Funny, I thought I invented that one blush

Page 32 of 40 1 2 30 31 32 33 34 39 40

Moderated by  Piano World 

Link Copied to Clipboard
Hand Sanitizer for Musicians
Hand Sanitizer for Musicians
Musician's Hand Sanitizer available in our online store (and our Maple Street Music shop in Cornish Maine). Antibacterial, 62% ethyl alcohol. Hand Sanitizer for Musicians
Tons more music related products in our online store!
What's Hot!!
News from the Piano World
Where Did The Buttons Go?!
----------------------
Our April 2020 Newsletter Available Online Now...
The Piano World During the Pandemic!
----------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums RULES & HELP
-------------------
ADVERTISE on Piano World
(ad)
Best of Piano Buyer
 Best of Piano Buyer
(ad)
Faust Harrison Pianos
Faust Harrison 100+ Steinway pianos
Download Sheet Music
Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Yamaha C6 vs. Yamaha C5 (used)
by sologne232 - 05/27/20 10:45 AM
The greatest piano piece ever?
by CyberGene - 05/27/20 09:34 AM
P-515 - Binaural Sampling and Stereophonic Optimizer
by gorgin4325 - 05/27/20 09:07 AM
What phase of opening in ny?
by rkayorie - 05/27/20 08:54 AM
About sightreading.
by Nitrovaleric - 05/27/20 06:27 AM
Forum Statistics
Forums41
Topics199,211
Posts2,962,701
Members97,205
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
Please Support Our Advertisers


Faust Harrison 100+ Steinways

Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver

 Best of Piano Buyer

PianoTeq Bechstein
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads



 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter |


copyright 1997 - 2020 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.4