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This is really interesting... I didn't know BiaB did this. If I heard someone play like this I would think that they know the changes really well, but that they're just not very artistic. So there must be something about the changes that can be understood by an algorithm to get it to come out this way, especially for the solo lines. Otherwise it wouldn't even be recognizable... just random nonsense.
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If Dave's never heard of him, sounds like there's no way I'd know who it is.
Is it a latin player? Nope, definitely not latin. He's from Chicago. It's Willie Pickens.
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. . . but this is really crazy what the computer can do. Yeah, it's crazy - and fun in a perverse sort of way. A couple of clicks, change the Style, change the sounds - and hey presto there's a Scofield wannabe inside all of us pianists. http://www.box.com/s/jbj5fhd537ysie4bukof Very interesting It's very formulaic sounding though but I'm amazed at the programmer that set the rules because he has created so many common cliches here. I wonder how many cliche's he identified.
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Chick Corea has his own SoundCloud page, this is his latest upload: 500 Miles w S Clarke and L White: http://soundcloud.com/chickcorea/500-miles-highIt's so relaxed in it's intensity. This is so inspiring!
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Very interesting It's very formulaic sounding though but I'm amazed at the programmer that set the rules because he has created so many common clichés here. I wonder how many cliché's he identified. A part has to do with my choices. Metal solo style for the guitar, Funk for the bass, jazz organ and LA rock in the drums. There are literally thousands of styles and ways of combining them. Which I like, Reggae bass with Latin pop drums with a country slide guitar on top; it's great for trying out song-writing ideas! What's neat is that you can drag each track separately to Logic or Pro Tools and add live musicians . . .
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You mean there's multiple chunks of jazz solo styles?
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You mean there's multiple chunks of jazz solo styles? Yeah, NY bop, slow ballad, waltz, etc etc Now it is a "real" guy playing these RealTracks, which is why one can shift the tempo because it does some time streching. You should check it out, the RealDrums library is pretty good.
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I just found my 2007 BIAB disks...haven't used it. I guess I'm in the technology business by day and don't feel like dealing with technology when I play piano
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I just found my 2007 BIAB disks...haven't used it. I guess I'm in the technology business by day and don't feel like dealing with technology when I play piano Know the feeling, anyhow an example of drums: http://www.box.com/s/kpzavsr4d6642csc6xo0Another generated solo: http://www.box.com/s/zqe0so7o4xu4j73h9b5qAnd now I'll promise to stop. Btw it's up to version 2011.5 on OS X.
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So do you feel that this makes a good backing track to practice against? (Compared to the iRealB app I use)? It's just handy though to pick a tune, plug it in to my mixer and I'm done.
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well this biab is only for desktop/laptop, not so easy to take with. But yes, its superior to iRealB especially has the drums played by real drummers. There's also RealBook libraries out there and it's really easy to edit chords, etc.
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well this biab is only for desktop/laptop, not so easy to take with. But yes, its superior to iRealB especially has the drums played by real drummers. There's also RealBook libraries out there and it's really easy to edit chords, etc. Well I'm thinking only in the sense of creating practice backing tracks (which I can then load on Itunes and play on my phone. At least in the 2007 version the RealDrums already existed. Though I can't remember how realistic they were.
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One renders the track(s) as audio, import to an iThingie.
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So do I need to buy a new version just to do drums + bass? i.e. did the RealDrums change since 2007 version? Or just added the other "Real" instruments?
Some of the features you're saying are very interesting but I'm thinking only about drums + bass right now.
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well, the midi sounds are still there. but the realtracks/realdrums are different. much better imo. also, the app itself is vastly improved.
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Jazzwee - there is a BIAB ipad/iphone app. that can be used in conjunction with the actual BIAB program running on your desk or laptop computer. I agree with Chris - it is a great tool for quick generation of a bass and drums backing track - and the realtracks/realdrums are so much more realistic than if created by the usual midi sound-sets that are available. Doug
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Thanks Doug -- I noticed that app requires Version 11. Anyway, sounds like a good idea when making a more serious recording. I don't know how useful the Iphone App is though since it's just playing audio files. Might as well stick to Itunes.
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Here's why I don't play intervalic, quartal, outside/chromatic kind of stuff. This is Cm blues with overdubbed bass lines. LH is only quartal voicings with chromatic side-stepping. RH is mostly pentatonic/modal and triad pairs, again with chromatic side-stepping. http://www.box.com/s/jltfotbyk3ok6124k0v7I just don't have the control needed for this. I've practiced this kind of stuff alot, but I can't quite hear and predict where I'm going and keep it connected to the underlying changes so that it's clear what's happening. Anybody else care to take a stab at this approach? Oh, and the background noise in the recording is my washing machine! I thought your beginning was really cool. Then when you started just playing continous eighth notes was where I think it lost it. And IMO, tension and release still has to be built and phrasing still should be as interesting. Intervallic, like the initial portion of what my teacher played in ATTYA (in the link I had before - http://www.box.com/shared/k13ibez7c0 ), simply had an unpredictable nature to the sound. The harmony is still the same (though he was doing a reharm there). Listen to the first few seconds just for his phrasing style. I'm not sure who's the pre-eminent specialists in this kind of playing. To me McCoy Tyner had a specific kind of intervallic that was very dense so it gave you a particular harmonic feel. Here the phrasing variety is absent I think. My teacher is well known for this style around here, but he doesn't overuse it either. When we were practicing it though, he was demonstrating that you really have to jump around a lot so it was practiced by always going back to the root of the chord (hand placement wise) just to force movement in practice. In the Pilc video, I think he's implying that a lot of new students are doing this but in a mindless way. I think it is really difficult to this and "hear" it. Which is probably why I don't have the guts to play it. I think it would be interesting to hear a switching, from playing normally and then this. The unpredictable intervals sounds like it raises the tension to me. And so that could be used to effect. I agree with a comment Beeboss made that any device, if overused sounds trite. So this is just stuff to add to the arsenal.
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What's this intervallic playing we're talking about?
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Knots, you know how the regular vocabulary for jazz has a certain predictable shape and flow? Steps, arpeggios, and an up and down movement along the keyboard.
Intervallic playing has more unpredictable intervals. There's a larger proportion of larger intervals such as 4ths,5ths and 6ths and less stepwise movement.
McCoy Tyner, for example, had a very specific movement in mind which was perfect fourths and fifths and depending on where you start on the chord, you could come up with a unique sound. McCoy's though is very recognizable and is a very specific variant.
Other stylists have come up with more unusual sounds because the intervals are not as predictable.
It's a part of what I learned and there's snippets of it in what I do, but not necessarily with intent (so it's not cohesive yet).
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