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Piano Stand suggestions #1607189
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I've just ordered Roland FP7F with RPU3 Pedal.

Now looking for a good Z stand or similar, which need to take to the stage occasionally. I understand WS-550 is the top recommendation here, but for some reason my daughter doesn't like it.

These are the ones I short listed, and Z71 is top in the list (£133 :(). Please recommend based on your experience. Roland KS18Z costs only half of Z71, but not sure about stability.

Daughter (9 year old) will be on piano for 2 hours per day, so stability & safety are very important

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Re: Piano Stand suggestions [Re: suniil] #1607191
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How about the 'proper' KSC-44 stand?

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Re: Piano Stand suggestions [Re: Kawai James] #1607194
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Thanks James for the suggestion, but occasionally she goes for stage performance as well

Originally Posted by Kawai James
How about the 'proper' KSC-44 stand?

Re: Piano Stand suggestions [Re: suniil] #1607197
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How occasionally?

If it's just going to be once or twice a year, could you not take the stand with you to the performance venue?

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Re: Piano Stand suggestions [Re: suniil] #1607211
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I bought the Quiklok M-91 (Monolith) and had to take it to a metal shop to have it made smaller to accommodate the really thick CP300. The adjustment for this stand is incremental and not infinitely variable. That can be an issue for some.

One plus - it folds up very flat.


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Re: Piano Stand suggestions [Re: suniil] #1607216
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I have that Roland KS18Z stand and am not entirely happy with it. It is quite stable and can be transported but it's in three separate parts that does not fold together nicely. A one piece construction with fold-able legs would have been much better.


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Re: Piano Stand suggestions [Re: suniil] #1607238
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Thanks Guys for the feedback.

James: Yes, only 4 to 6 performances on big stages, otherwise most of the concerts has Grand Pianos. Thank you for making me to think again

FredFabulous: Thank you, I thought that after seeing the pictures on roland website.

Dave, basicaly both M-91 and W71 has same height adjustments, we will try it first before making a decision.

Anyone has Roland KS-G8?

Thanks



Re: Piano Stand suggestions [Re: suniil] #1607261
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I have a KS-G8...great stand and really looks the part too...classic Roland look and way more classy than the average keyboard stand. However, whilst it does fold flat(ish) you need an allen key and another tool (both supplied with it) to make it rock solid so it's not the quickest thing to deal with.

Depending on your needs, I would certainly recommend the KS-G8.

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Re: Piano Stand suggestions [Re: suniil] #1607432
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I used to like Z stands, but after taking ours apart and reassembling it several times I'm not so thrilled with them anymore. Too many parts, often not enough legroom with that central brace thingie. If you do get one, make sure it isn't too deep for the DP you plan to use it with.

I'm really very happy with our WS-550. It has tons of legroom, and it is quite versatile - you can use it for other things than holding keyboards (I'm not sure why, but I dislike furniture that is dedicated to a single task, such as computer desks and such). It folds up pretty small and setup/teardown is a snap. Depending on how you position the legs it can easily accommodate just about any size DP.

Never owned the M-91 but it looks like it could very well be a winner.

Re: Piano Stand suggestions [Re: dewster] #1607456
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I use a K&M 18950 table stand - very solid and folds easily for transport. Also has a decent music stand attachment, unlike the Quiklok, which I found wobbly and unstable. The M91's lowest setting is too high for many people, myself included.


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Re: Piano Stand suggestions [Re: suniil] #1607466
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Originally Posted by suniil
Thanks James for the suggestion, but occasionally she goes for stage performance as well

Originally Posted by Kawai James
How about the 'proper' KSC-44 stand?


I have the KSC-44 and the KS18Z both (with FP7F).

KS18Z is very stable and low priced, but using with FP7F is not recommended for classic piano for adults, because you cannot set the proper height. The keys are either much lower or much higher than standard piano which makes my back hurt, because I'm used to the standard height.
Obviously for small children (if they feet do not touch the ground while sitting) it is not an issue (if the bench can be adjusted).

KSC-44 is definitely the best solution. It was designed for the FP series and can be disconnected with 4 hand adjustable screws.

Re: Piano Stand suggestions [Re: Aidan] #1607469
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Originally Posted by Aidan
I use a K&M 18950 table stand - very solid and folds easily for transport.

The first time I've seen that one, thanks! The top where you set the keyboard looks kind of small, is it? I'm not a fan of legs that stick out, they seem like more of a trip hazard when they do that. Is that an issue for you?

Originally Posted by Aidan
Also has a decent music stand attachment, unlike the Quiklok, which I found wobbly and unstable.

I agree, the Quicklok music rest is rather wobbly. But at least it is a solid piece of metal that easily holds three sheets. From pictures, the 18958 music rest looks maybe too tall (even at it's lowest setting), it's not mounted centrally but off to one side, it's the rickety folding skeleton type that enables minor breezes to blow your music to the floor, and it looks like a two sheeter max.

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Re: Piano Stand suggestions [Re: suniil] #1607489
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I was going to go for a Z-stand but after trying one out my knees touched the horizontal brace while sitting down. They do vary though, ideally it will help to get exact measurements or find it in a shop or friend's house to test out.

I went for a WS-550 in the end (though the corner joints look slightly different to Dewster's?!). The adjustable legs are handy when space is tight. Also if you place a nice piece of wood on top you have an instant worktop/poker table.

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If you don't line any of the z-stands Have you seen the single column "ultimate support" stand. I had one for a while. They are sturdy, well made and very low "bulk" so they absolutely don't get in the way. The neat thing about this stand is that all the parts stor inside the hollow center column so the stand is it's own road case. Moving and setup is quick and easy. The center column is a large diameter aluminum extrusion that is very strong.
Z-stands are not fun to transport because even folded down they are awkward

The only real down side to "ultimate support" stand is the price.


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Re: Piano Stand suggestions [Re: ChrisA] #1607521
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Originally Posted by ChrisA
The only real down side to "ultimate support" stand is the price.

Every time I see these in stores on a carpet with a keyboard or two on them they seem very wobbly. And the column placement on the floor seems like it would heavily interfere with the use of a triple pedal unit. They look pretty sexy though.

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I got the On-Stage KS7350 (not sure if you can get in in UK) for my FP-7f (http://www.zzounds.com/item--MUPKS7150). It is very stable and while a little on the heavy side would be ok for occasional moving. However, I haven't actually got the piano yet, so I don't know how they work together. But hopefully I can report back on Monday!

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Thanks guys for the comments and recommendations so far, WS-550 is so popular here smile. Looks like I may end up getting one, otherwise KSC-44 and KS-G8. There are couple of dealers for On-Stage stands but most of the stands are special order from US.

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suniil, be sure to know what the return policy is. You won't know if you like the stand until you use it. For some items it really makes more sense to buy locally.




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Re: Piano Stand suggestions [Re: suniil] #1607914
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Dewster, yeah it's good that the Quiklok is solid and does three sheets - that's why I initially ordered a WS-550 and accessories - but while it may just be OK for home use (I think you've got yours set up permanently?), I was concerned that what was wobbly to start with might get even worse with the repeated setup and teardown of gigging.

The K&M music stand, while the skeleton type and a two-pager, is actually very high quality and solid. And although you can't quit get it dead centre, it is possible to move it closer to the middle than in most of the illustrations.

The main stand is very solid. Although the platform isn't overly deep, it more than adequately supports my CP% and the legs don't stick out beyond the limits of the instrument itself. It folds up into a compact rectangle, on which other items can be safely placed, which is a bonus for gigging.

The second tier is also good on the K&M. It can be set pretty low relative to the main board and if you leave the tier arms set up and pre-adjusted, you can carry them easily in a bag and it takes literally seconds to add the second tier when setting up.

However, I do agree that the WS-550 itself is a very capable stand - in fact, I use its little brother, the 540, for the rack containing my mixer and Motif XS Rack.

Yeah, suniil, getting hold of On-Stage stands this side of the pond is pretty much impossible. As Dave says, if they're special order from the US I'd be surprised if the dealer's ordinary returns policy applied.


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Originally Posted by Aidan
... but while it may just be OK for home use (I think you've got yours set up permanently?), I was concerned that what was wobbly to start with might get even worse with the repeated setup and teardown of gigging.

Good points. Ours doesn't really go anywhere, and the music rest does make it somewhat harder to setup / teardown / transport.

Originally Posted by Aidan
The K&M music stand, while the skeleton type and a two-pager, is actually very high quality and solid. And although you can't quit get it dead centre, it is possible to move it closer to the middle than in most of the illustrations.

Too bad they don't show that in the pictures, it being way off to one side is kind of a turn-off. Do you find it to be placed too high (i.e. higher than the music rest on a grand piano)? It looks kind of high in the pictures.

The tier setup sounds sweet, seems like you have a really practical gig rig there.

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