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Yamaha CLP 320 or 330 or 340? #1602345
01/21/11 05:05 PM
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Hi everyone

We have decided to get a DP for our 6 year-old to start learning the piano this year. We are choosing a DP due to space constraint and we really didn't want to dunk more money for an acoustic just in case our 6 year-old (or his younger sibling) don't go too far with learning the instrument. If either of them progress onto something like grade 3, we will get an acoustic.

From our earlier research, we are considering a Yamaha CLP 320, 330 and a 340. I am sure the 340 is better than 320. But is that going to make a difference to us? I don't understand the jargons. We went to a music store and asked the Yamaha rep (it was a Yamaha sale week, so they got a rep to help out) to play. They sounded the same to us. He was trying to sell us a 320 or a 330, but that may be because his commission was better, who knows!

I also noticed a price different between colours. Is that true? Please excuse my ignorance, is black more difficult to produce than rosewood that they charge more for it??

So for our needs, do you think the 340 is going to be worth the extra money? How do we work out how much to offer when negotiating a price? We are in Australia?

Many thanks in advance.

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Re: Yamaha CLP 320 or 330 or 340? [Re: Cheeky] #1602575
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The black (polished ebony) models sell for hundreds more than the wood laminate models. They're more expensive to produce. You have to decide for yourself whether the look justifies the expense. (I prefer the ebony.)

The CLP320 is very similar to the YDP161. The latter costs much less, so if you like the the 320, get the 161 (or the slightly more expensive YDP181). The 320 looks a bit better than either of those, but as a piano it's the same.

The CLP330 is significantly better, and the 340 a bit more so. Try them both. You won't notice hear much difference between these two, and your six-year-old won't, either.

The 340 has textured key surfaces. The 330 doesn't. I don't think this is important.

Re: Yamaha CLP 320 or 330 or 340? [Re: Cheeky] #1602703
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Originally Posted by Cheeky
Hi everyone

We have decided to get a DP for our 6 year-old to start learning the piano this year. We are choosing a DP due to space constraint and we really didn't want to dunk more money for an acoustic just in case our 6 year-old (or his younger sibling) don't go too far with learning the instrument. If either of them progress onto something like grade 3, we will get an acoustic.

From our earlier research, we are considering a Yamaha CLP 320, 330 and a 340. I am sure the 340 is better than 320. But is that going to make a difference to us? I don't understand the jargons. We went to a music store and asked the Yamaha rep (it was a Yamaha sale week, so they got a rep to help out) to play. They sounded the same to us. He was trying to sell us a 320 or a 330, but that may be because his commission was better, who knows!

I also noticed a price different between colours. Is that true? Please excuse my ignorance, is black more difficult to produce than rosewood that they charge more for it??

So for our needs, do you think the 340 is going to be worth the extra money? How do we work out how much to offer when negotiating a price? We are in Australia?

Many thanks in advance.


Yes the charge more for black. All of the finished are "fake". The black is polyurethane paint over particle board and it take quite think paint to hide what's under and then they have to let it dry. The rosewood is plastic laminate (aka formica) and it goes in in one step. Both are well done. The plastic laminate finish, I think woujld be more durable and stand up to abuse

In either case a CLP is an expensice piano for a 6 year old beginner. Most people would recommend a $500 Casio PX130 or the Yamaha P95 for the same price. Or if you can spend $1000 a P155 if if you mmust have the wood color stand (like a CLP) then ook at the YDP series

Do't make the mistake of thinking you should buy something high-end because you will have it "forever". No, digital pianos are more like computers or cell phones. You replace them every few years. They seem to keep a resale value of abut 50% of what you paid

Which CLP to buy? I think you need to move up to a CLP340 It is the first in the series that has specs as good as some of the lower priced Yamahas above.

Any piano with good weighted keys will work prices start at about $500 and go up to much higher

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Re: Yamaha CLP 320 or 330 or 340? [Re: Cheeky] #1602723
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Originally Posted by Cheeky
We have decided to get a DP for our 6 year-old to start learning the piano this year.
No worries about a DP being good enough for more advanced playing.

Originally Posted by Cheeky
From our earlier research, we are considering a Yamaha CLP 320, 330 and a 340.
You can read the features at http://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical-instruments/keyboards/digitalpianos/clp_series/?mode=series Click on "Product Lineup." The 330 and 340 are spec'd with the GH3 action. The "3" refers to a third sensor which facilitates fast repetition. That capability won't become important until the kids can play classical music at a high level.

Originally Posted by Cheeky
So for our needs, do you think the 340 is going to be worth the extra money?
The 340 has four-level piano samples. The extra level should yield a more expressive sound, becasue the timbre should be different at each volume level sampled. Maybe go back and see if you can hear the difference between the 330's three levels and the 340's four. The 340 also includes key-off samples. That's the subtle sound that results from a key being lifted. Again, more expressive. The 340 has a LAN port which can be used for accessing leaning aids. But Alfred's has self-learning book/CD packages which are very well thought out. I think that Alfred's has a separate series for kids.

If budget is an issue, I'd get the 320. If it's not an issue, I'd probably get the 340.

Originally Posted by Cheeky
How do we work out how much to offer when negotiating a price? We are in Australia.
Not sure. Previous posts by Aussies say that their dealer won't negotiate. In the states, you'd go for at least 20% off the first price that you hear, tho even here dealers in rural areas sometimes won't budge - no competition.



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Re: Yamaha CLP 320 or 330 or 340? [Re: Cheeky] #1602748
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wait for CLP 400 series now, no point getting 300 series this year, you will waste your money.

Re: Yamaha CLP 320 or 330 or 340? [Re: mwf] #1602774
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Originally Posted by mwf
wait for CLP 400 series now, no point getting 300 series this year, you will waste your money.
Unless the dealer has some 300-series stock that he wants to move out to make way for the 400-series. When the latter starts shipping, then if he has some of both, it might be worthwhile to try striking a particularly good deal on a 300-series model.

Re: Yamaha CLP 320 or 330 or 340? [Re: Cheeky] #1603333
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Thanks PPs for the input.

Oh, CLP 400 series, that is very interesting. I rang Yamaha last year about a new series, and they said there was nothing in the pipeline. I wonder when the CLP 400 series will be available here in Australia. Like computers, new DPs will almost certainly be better than the old ones right?

Re: Yamaha CLP 320 or 330 or 340? [Re: Cheeky] #1603397
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Originally Posted by Cheeky
I wonder when the CLP 400 series will be available here in Australia. Like computers, new DPs will almost certainly be better than the old ones right?
Based on previous threads, I think that the 400's will be available in the states before they arrive in Oz. For example, someone asked about the ARIUS YDP 140. The latest model, which is available here, is the 181. As for the 400's being better, it'd be best to try to learn their specifications.

(I didn't raise the 400's issue, because I presumed that you wanted to buy now.)

If you're concerned about obsolescence, just buy a used DP. Anything with a functioning, weighted keyboard is good enough to get the kids started. Parents want to do the best for their children, but at first the most important thing is to learn is whether they really want to learn to play the piano. That'll entail persisting thru the inevitable difficulties and frustrations.

Now that I think about it, a used ARIUS YDP could be a good choice for children. The GHS action that those models are spec'd with has lighter weights, which could be a good thing for young fingers.



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Originally Posted by Cheeky
Thanks PPs for the input.

Oh, CLP 400 series, that is very interesting. I rang Yamaha last year about a new series, and they said there was nothing in the pipeline. I wonder when the CLP 400 series will be available here in Australia. Like computers, new DPs will almost certainly be better than the old ones right?


yes this is 100% correct, new technology always a winner. HAve a look at Yamaha P-155, I am looking to get that for gigging, apparently its one of best for price range, it has same features as the 340 I think in some respects, but is portable and alot cheaper.

Re: Yamaha CLP 320 or 330 or 340? [Re: Cheeky] #1603575
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Apart from the technical aspects: There are child prodigies that will have success and fun with any instrument, but most humans (included me) dont belong to this category.

If the child should have success it must love and understand the instrument. So let it try and decide too.
Possibly a cheaper Casio or Kawai will do better than a CPL340.

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Re: Yamaha CLP 320 or 330 or 340? [Re: mwf] #1603825
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Originally Posted by mwf
new technology always a winner.
Sometimes true, but seldom in pianos. Today's pianos are barely different from the ones sold 10 years ago. There are differences, but not much.

It seems that the modest improvements take place with the top-end models. Those improvements gradually filter down to the lower models.

But if you compare specs on low- and mid-range models today, you see that they compare with the 10-year-old high-end models.

My conclusion: If you must have bigger-better, be prepared to spend heavily. If not, just get an older high-end piano. You'll have something that plays pretty much the same as today's mid-range unit.

Back to your original point: "new technology always a winner" ...
This COULD be true if only the makers would press ahead at a more vigorous pace. (Dewster would like that. I guess we all would.) But the guiding principle in business is "be the best in-class". That is ... to beat the competition, your product just has to a little bit better ... in ways that a customer will notice. (It need not be the most superlative gift from God.)

With digital pianos, that's all we can expect to get.

Re: Yamaha CLP 320 or 330 or 340? [Re: MacMacMac] #1603837
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new model = newer technology, like with PC's, faster processing, improved memory, boards and features. Like I said you would wasting money to buy an older discontinued model, no argument there at all, maybe slight differences, but significant nonetheless.

Re: Yamaha CLP 320 or 330 or 340? [Re: mwf] #1603860
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Originally Posted by mwf
new model = newer technology, like with PC's, faster processing, improved memory, boards and features. Like I said you would wasting money to buy an older discontinued model, no argument there at all, maybe slight differences, but significant nonetheless.
If you view a piano as a CPU and memory, then perhaps there are some changes to note.

But if you judge one by touch, feel, and sound, you don't find much change year by year. The older models (in good condition) can be an excellent deal ... not a waste of money.

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A new model today which is more than adequate for one's needs doesn't stop working and become less than adequate when a new model arrives tomorrow, unless there is more interest in exploring the latest gadgets and technology or you need to sell it next year. I don't think a very young child will notice the difference between two generations of DPs.

A Yamaha P155 would provide a great beginner's digital piano. With an appropriate stand they can look great in a room. When the child is more advanced in a few years time then they can tell you exactly what they need themselves.


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