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Yamaha G1, who knows this model? #1599670
01/17/11 09:47 PM
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I saw an ad at craigslist about a Yamaha G1.
5 FT. 3 IN. SERIAL #: J3640565.
purchased in 1982.
The owner is asking for $8,900.

Is this a good grand piano? How is the price for an almost $30 years old piano?
Condition "Excellent" described by the owner.
Before contacting the owner, I would like to hear something useful here.
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Re: Yamaha G1, who knows this model? [Re: avenoo] #1599686
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I grew up playing one through high school until college, and it served me very well for a smaller grand piano while preparing auditions. My memory of the piano was the action was slightly heavy and the treble was fantastic, while the bass and tenor "break" were not the most refined-sounding. Having said that, I think that price is way too high, particularly for a private-party sale. It also depends on the condition, as at that age many things may need to be done to bring the instrument back to new...not to mention in what environment it was kept (perhaps living in the upper midwest and seeing pianos tortured by extreme seasonal temp/humidity swings has me jaded!).

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Re: Yamaha G1, who knows this model? [Re: terminaldegree] #1599704
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Thank you so much.

Re: Yamaha G1, who knows this model? [Re: avenoo] #1599768
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The price is way high.


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Re: Yamaha G1, who knows this model? [Re: avenoo] #1599890
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Avenoo

I agree with terminaldegree regarding the bass and tenor on the old G1. Even new smaller Yamaha grands, say under 5'8", do not have the most impressive of bass and tenor sections in comparison to the rest of the qualities found on a Yamaha ie: build quality, responsive action, pure mid and treble sections, dynamic range, sustain and durability. Bass quality and tenor transition (around the bass break, usually note 26, Bb) are things many buyers don't spend enough time assessing before purchase (on any piano, particularly under 6'00"). Once you discover it, it sticks out like a sore thumb.

People often think that because a particular piano maker is making a good all-round product today that to buy one made in another era will give them all of the benefits of today's product but at half the price. Unfortunately it doesn't.

Terminal's also right on the price of the G1, - far too high.


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Re: Yamaha G1, who knows this model? [Re: ChrisVenables] #1599966
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Even new smaller Yamaha grands, say under 5'8", do not have the most impressive of bass and tenor sections in comparison to the rest of the qualities found on a Yamaha


So the Chris,

Where does it really start to get better/acceptable. The Yamaha C2 is exactly 5'8" (so not "say under 5'8"); is this one already OK?

schwammerl.

Re: Yamaha G1, who knows this model? [Re: schwammerl] #1599973
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Originally Posted by schwammerl
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Even new smaller Yamaha grands, say under 5'8", do not have the most impressive of bass and tenor sections in comparison to the rest of the qualities found on a Yamaha


So the Chris,

Where does it really start to get better/acceptable. The Yamaha C2 is exactly 5'8" (so not "say under 5'8"); is this one already OK?

schwammerl.


Well FWIW, the C2M is more than up to my needs and expectations, but I too would be interested in Chris's impartial opinion


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Re: Yamaha G1, who knows this model? [Re: avenoo] #1599986
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Hello Luc and cruiser

Yes, I was very specific in that I said under 5'8" so the C2 gets the thumbs up from me. However, the old G2, at 5'7" has nowhere near the same bass quality and evenness across the break.

It's just something I think is worth pointing out. Some people don't hear the limitations of the short string bass or accept it as a trade-off because of the many plus points a grand has over an upright.

Best regards.


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Re: Yamaha G1, who knows this model? [Re: ChrisVenables] #1600370
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What's the model GH1? similar to G1?
Thanks.

Re: Yamaha G1, who knows this model? [Re: avenoo] #1600570
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Fairly similar, yes. G1 and GH1 weren't in my top 10 ever. Very iffy tenor scale. (hard to tune purely) GH1 frames didn't have the diagonal bracing between the struts in the bass section, no duplex scale, no tone collector, only 3 position music desk, 2 position prop stick, no soft close fallboard, no lock, inferior hammers to G1F and C series.

G1F, and later such as C1, C1L, C1M, all same size as GH1 but at least 68lbs heavier, had the diagonal bracing, duplex scale, tone collector, 5 position music rest, 3 position propstick, soft close fall, a lock and upgraded hammerheads.

Almost always with Yamaha, newer means better spec, better sound and feel. However, if your buying second hand, condition is often as important or more important than age or model.


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Re: Yamaha G1, who knows this model? [Re: ChrisVenables] #1601080
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G1 and G1H are discontinued models, right?
C series is better.
I just saw an ad at craigslist Yamaha C3, year 1987, asking for $13,000. Is this price high?
Thanks.

Re: Yamaha G1, who knows this model? [Re: avenoo] #1601085
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Back in 2005 a C3 was about $18k. So I think your ad is too high! But Yamaha keeps raising prices (a new C3... somewhere near $25k give or take a few thousand?) so even "high" prices are starting to look like good deals. Comparison-shop Yamaha prices on eBay and on ads all over the country to get a better idea of the current market.

Re: Yamaha G1, who knows this model? [Re: avenoo] #1601287
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G1 and GH1 are long gone.

If you're going for a C series (yes, better than the G) look for C2F, 5'8" or C3F, 6'1" or later (around 1990 onwards) as Yamaha made big changes to the scale, added and inch, better hammers and bass strings.

After the 'F' range Yamaha no longer show the letter before the serial number on the iron frame, but the model sequence went from F to just plain nothing (ieC3) to C3L and currently C3M. CX to come in the autumn. Can't be exact, but serial numbers later than 4,900,000 should be your target.

Keep searching, as I think you should be able to find a C2F or later in good order for no more than $10K. Remember, the asking price isn't necessarily the buying price, so don't be shy in making an offer.


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Re: Yamaha G1, who knows this model? [Re: ChrisVenables] #1601386
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This one is C3A 4220963. So too old? Thanks.

Re: Yamaha G1, who knows this model? [Re: avenoo] #1601406
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I haven't seen a C3A ever, so I think it must be a grey market, 1985 vintage, so keep looking.


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Re: Yamaha G1, who knows this model? [Re: ChrisVenables] #1601418
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Thank you so much.
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Is this brand good?


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