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Hi dewster, welcome. Wha? AFAIK there's no SN anything in the SX. And AFAIK SN pretty much means no velocity layer switching. Really? Why don't you answer in the thread I'm referring to then? E.g. here's a quote with an actual player's experience: The vintage EP on my HP-307 had a nice timbre but a couple of very stark velocity switches which got in the way of expression in my opinion. And another comment over there is: unfortunately that SX sound indeed has too obvious velocity layer transitions which bothered me. When GX was announced I thought that finally Roland may have fixed that with the SN EP-s but then I've read a lot of complaints
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To be honest by "a lot of complaints" I meant not the velocity switching (which was apparently fixed by using modeled sound) but the authenticity of the sound which people complain is too synthetic.
P.S. There is a clear distinction:
RD-700SX: regular AP, regular EP RD-700GX: regular AP, SN EP RD-700NX: SN AP, SN EP HP-30* : SN AP, regular EP
where: "regular": entirely sampled, velocity switching, sample stretching, sample looping SN AP: hybrid between sampling and modeling, no velocity switching, no sample stretching, no sample looping SN EP: entirely modeled sound with control over model parameters like tine, hammer, pickup, etc.
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To be honest by "a lot of complaints" I meant not the velocity switching (which was apparently fixed by using modeled sound) but the authenticity of the sound which people complain is too synthetic. Thanks for clarifying, CyberGene. The EP statement concerning console type DP's appears to be correct. As this thread is not about stage pianos, I've specified this more clearly in the post about the CA93 butterfly EP preset: By the way, there's absolutely no audible velocity layer switching as was observed on Roland console type DP's like the HP307 SN.
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Thank you TADutchman, I'm a little busy updating a brochure this week, but will ask one of the CA team to double-check this point and keep you informed. Thanks James, excellent support! I'm curious about the (product?) brochure you're working on...
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CN update. James x
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CN update. James x That'll be for the new CN42 UPHI then..
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The EP statement concerning console type DP's appears to be correct. More to-the-point would be "Roland non-SN EP". ... I've specified this more clearly in the post about the CA93 butterfly EP preset... I'm not trying to be contentious, but "specified more clearly" and "fixed my incorrect statement" are two different things. Oops, almost forgot ("When in Rome..."):
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Whatever, as long as it's correct! Hahaha , I'll throw some graphs at you 'when in Rome'.
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Let's return to the core business of this thread: the quest for harmonics! RESONANT SYNTHESIZER BASS R1.0 Dual Voice: Clavi, volume 5 + Fretless Bass, volume 5 1 Basic Settings 1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +6, high +2 2 Virtual Technician 2 - 1 Voicing: bright 1 2 - 5 Touch: light 3 Key Settings 3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 8 Reverb: Room 2 Effect: Delay 1, speed 5, depth 4
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Here's a smooth and groovy vintage electric piano reed tone: dare to hit'em hard! SUPERTRAMP 'DREAMER' WURLITZER R1.0 Dual Voice: Classic E-piano, volume 6 + 60's E.P., volume 4 1 Basic Settings 1 - 3 Tone control: low +2, mid +6, high -3 2 Virtual Technician 2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic 2 - 5 Touch: light 3 Key Settings 3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10 Reverb: Stage Effect: Tremolo, speed 8, depth 10
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Winter has arrived, snow is in the air and Christmas is coming, so it's time for a big icy soundscape: SHIVERING BELLS PAD R1.0 Dual Voice: New Age E.P., volume 4 + New Age Pad 2, volume 6 1 Basic Settings 1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +6, high -6 1 - 8 Damper hold: On 2 Virtual Technician 2 - 1 Voicing: bright1 2 - 5 Touch: light+ 3 Key Settings 3 - 3 Layer octave: +1 3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 8 Reverb: Hall 2 Effect: Chorus, rate 5, depth 7
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Watch out for those moving high-amplitude sub-bass frequencies! NOISY E-BASS OVERDRIVE R1.0 Dual Voice: Finger Bass, volume 8 + 60's E.P., volume 2 1 Basic Settings 1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid +3, high +6 2 Virtual Technician 2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic 2 - 5 Touch: normal 3 Key Settings 3 - 3 Layer octave: -1 3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 7 Reverb: Room 1 Effect: Tremolo, rate 1, depth 2
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What about amp simulation? Let's crank up that virtual amp gain for more severe tine altering distortion! HEAVY AMPED VINTAGE RHODES R1.0 Dual Voice: Classic E.Piano, volume 5 + Wood Bass, volume 5 1 Basic Settings 1 - 3 Tone control: low +6, mid -3, high -6 2 Virtual Technician 2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic 2 - 5 Touch: light+ 3 Key Settings 3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10 Reverb: Stage Effect: Tremolo, rate 5, depth 10
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What's a guitar like? A really weird stagepiano that's being dragged around during live performances? SEMI-ACOUSTIC GUITAR STRINGS R1.0 Dual Voice: Pick Nylon Gt., volume 4 + Finger Bass, volume 6 1 Basic Settings 1 - 3 Tone control: low 0, mid +5, high -6 2 Virtual Technician 2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic 2 - 5 Touch: light 3 Key Settings 3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 10 Reverb: Stage Effect: Chorus, rate 1, depth 5
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This is how fat those digital FM bells can sound: nicely suited for this season. POP FM ELECTRIC PIANO R1.0 Dual Voice: Modern E.P, volume 6 + Celesta, volume 4 1 Basic Settings 1 - 3 Tone control: low +5, mid +2, high -5 2 Virtual Technician 2 - 1 Voicing: dynamic 2 - 5 Touch: light+ 3 Key Settings 3 - 3 Layer octave: -1 3 - 4 Layer dynamics: 9 Reverb: Stage Effect: Chorus, rate 3, depth 7
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Sneak Peek: I'm currently working on a Yamaha C7 vs Kawai RX7 duo patch, being inspired by this thread: https://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubb...1/topic/022060/Number/0/site_id/1#importTo be continued...
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Hi TAD, (as my friends, you can call me Pini ) just tried your latest settings for a little hour before the dinner, and I was very surprised with your SEMI-ACOUSTIC GUITAR STRINGS R1.0: well resonance effect as an acoustic guitar, that makes an "envelop" for the bass and keep the rapid decay effect of the strings high freqs. The sound is very close to a semi acoustic guitar. Once again, as anyone said before, your patch names are very "sexy" and I add: "realistic" - your SUPERTRAMP 'DREAMER' WURLITZER R1.0 is the right example of this !!! I'm expecting with lot of curiosity your C7 / RX-7 settings... I'm sure they will be gorgeous
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It's been a long time since TADutchman requested me to make a recording with his ROMANTIC MELLOW GRAND R1.0 patch. I have had a very busy month with almost no time for playing piano at all... At the same time I have received from Amazon a set of 7 books with sheet music comprising almost all of the Chopin's works and I was eager to start playing. So, I found some time today to play for a few hours and felt in love with the Etude op. 10, No. 6. It's pretty difficult, at least for my skills (and that's probably one of the easiest Etudes... phew! I can't imagine being able to play the others soon :() I practiced it for about 2-3 hours and finally decided to record with the mentioned patch. There are few mistakes, of course, especially an ugly one in the stretto... don't judge me too harshly Here it is: Chopin - Etude P.S. TADutchman, I find some phasey sound at pianissimos with headphones. In fact I detect that with headphones for all the sounds consisting of two layered pianos. However with speakers it's OK.
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Hi CyberGene, thanks mate: curious as I am, I'll have a listen a.s.a.p. tonight. P.S. TADutchman, I find some phasey sound at pianissimos with headphones. However with speakers it's OK. I know, I've already formulated a request to Kawai (James) for adding a simple finetuning parameter to the layered sound. I don't know what headphones you are using, but with my humble HD595s (using Headphones Low Impedance setting) it's near inaudible up to moderate volume levels and therefore sounds just great! At 'AP-like dangerously high headphone levels' it's another story of course. I personally prefer to play live at acoustic grand level.
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That's a lovely piece CyberGene, although terribly sad in places. As usual, wonderfully emotional playing. I too occasionally hear phasing when listening with headphones. Is this not related to the stereo images of the two layered sounds? And would independent finetune controls really helps things in such instances? Through speakers the recording sounds far better, and the phasing is less noticeable. However, I do feel that the audio levels are too high - too much normalisation, perhaps? Cheers, James x
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