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How to get started in pedagogy when uni isn't an option? #1596759 01/13/11 02:16 PM
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I started out as a piano performance major, but after a year decided it wasn't for me for various reasons. I became an engineer instead and worked in that area for many years, but continued to play piano. I quit my FT engineering job a few years ago to stay home with my kids and have been rediscovering my love for piano. I've been doing some accompanying lately, which I really enjoy, and I have been teaching my own kids piano, which is going painfully since I don't know what I'm doing. But we don't have the money to hire a qualified teacher for all the kids at the moment.

At some point, I need to go back to work, both to supplement my husband's income and to give myself something to do in the long term. When I consider what I want to do ten years from now, it's not engineering. I would like to be a piano teacher and accompanist. I love the piano and I love kids and I know my house will be feeling very empty when my own kids are grown and moved away. So I think I would really enjoy teaching kids piano.

I'm thinking about how I might be able to fulfill that ambition with the limited resources I have available to me. There are no piano pedagogy programs at the universities in my state. There are three excellent teachers that I know of in our town, but they are all retiring or they are semi-retired. I have been thinking about asking a semi-retired teacher to teach my nine year old (I've been told she would likely accept him since she knows me), and also asking if she will teach me how to teach. What do you think?

I would like to take a piano pedagogy course to get familiar with modern methods and repertoire and all that, but I guess that it would have to be an online course. I saw VCSU has an online piano pedagogy course, but only in spring on even years, so I would have to wait a year to take it. Does anyone know of any other online courses?

Thanks for any advice.

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Re: How to get started in pedagogy when uni isn't an option? [Re: Soozen] #1596793 01/13/11 03:05 PM
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I'd look into a Trinity or ABRSM teaching diploma.

Re: How to get started in pedagogy when uni isn't an option? [Re: Soozen] #1596801 01/13/11 03:18 PM
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VCSU is a good program, especially if you are working toward your NTMA certification.


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Re: How to get started in pedagogy when uni isn't an option? [Re: Soozen] #1596998 01/13/11 09:09 PM
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VCSU offers two separate semesters. The first one is more about the business aspect of teaching: managing a home business, budgets, policies, establishing a studio, etc. The second one is more geared towards piano teaching with method books, practice strategies, etc. The first one is extremely beneficial, although beforehand I didn't think I would gain much from it, having been there - done that, but I learned so much, and can face my career choice with confidence and high standards. I would highly recommend both classes.


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Re: How to get started in pedagogy when uni isn't an option? [Re: keyboardklutz] #1597049 01/13/11 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by keyboardklutz
I'd look into a Trinity or ABRSM teaching diploma.
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Re: How to get started in pedagogy when uni isn't an option? [Re: Soozen] #1597299 01/14/11 11:42 AM
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Thank you for the suggestions. I found ABRSM and will look at what they offer in the U.S. Can you tell me more about Trinity, or give me a link? I'm not sure I'm looking at the right thing. I will also look at what's involved in NTMA certification as I have no idea. Anyone want to tell me more about it? Do most teachers do some sort of apprenticeship before they actually teach on their own? Is this involved in certification? I don't see how you can really learn with out doing it, but I don't want to experiment on people's kids - I would like some one to show me the ropes!

Re: How to get started in pedagogy when uni isn't an option? [Re: Soozen] #1599286 01/17/11 12:12 PM
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VCSU has looked very interesting. It gives you the opportunity to actually take classes. But then you have to complete things on a time table.

The NMCP (www.nationalmusiccertificate.org) program is more available in the States than either Trinity or ABRSM. These are examination programs. They do not supply the instruction but rather give direction to your personal study. The same is true of getting MTNA certification. I like the NMCP for its thoroughness. I look at all the requirements and know that it will be some time before I can complete them, but I can choose one area and start.

I think you should make a list of what you think you want to learn, what areas you feel are deficient, and the questions that you have. You could also look at these programs to help develop this list. From there, you can plan your study. If your main needs at the time are your children, you can focus on reading about teaching the beginning pianist. Some of the piano series offer online videos with teaching tips.

Forums like this and other online groups have probably taught me more about teaching than anything else. If you post your questions here, we can offer ideas for resources.


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Re: How to get started in pedagogy when uni isn't an option? [Re: Soozen] #1599576 01/17/11 07:48 PM
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Thank you Karisofia! That link looks interesting, I will spend some time checking it out.

I talked to my piano teacher friend and she thinks I should just jump right in with a student or two, but I'm not a jump right in sort of person. She is going to let me observe some of her lessons with beginners, and she's also willing to critique me at some point, which will be painful but helpful. We'll see if it's for me. Not totally sure yet.

Re: How to get started in pedagogy when uni isn't an option? [Re: Soozen] #1599625 01/17/11 09:04 PM
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Soozen, the other thing to do is to find a piano teacher who teaches piano teachers. Lessons with someone discussing the issues - while you start to develop your own experience teaching students - is by far the best way to go if you cannot access a degreed program.


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Re: How to get started in pedagogy when uni isn't an option? [Re: Elissa Milne] #1599810 01/18/11 01:51 AM
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Re: How to get started in pedagogy when uni isn't an option? [Re: Soozen] #2895624 09/29/19 04:56 PM
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Don't think this deserves its own thread, so I thought I'd just add it to this old one. I subscribe to academia.com and just got an automated email with a pedagogy resource. I thought piano teachers might find it useful in some way:

Making Music and Enriching Lives A Guide for All Music Teachers: download PDF


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Re: How to get started in pedagogy when uni isn't an option? [Re: Soozen] #2895751 09/30/19 03:12 AM
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I didn't recognize any participant on the thread except the very last one.
This was a really old thread....... before my time on PW.
Gosh, I just realized that I have been here for more than 7 years, time flies!

From "Mary had a little lamb", my boys have turned out to be functional musicians. I am looking forward to the half dozen concerts and recitals to come at the year-end. This forum has been guiding me every step of the way of the 8-year journey.

Didn't think this deserves its own thread, so I thought I'd just add it to this one.
However, the teachers and other thoughtful participants on this forum deserve a heartfelt "thank you!"


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