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#159869 - 08/09/06 09:46 PM Nordiska  
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I'm hoping to buy a grand piano soon and am currently researching pianos and have been considering a Nordiska 5'5" or the 6'1" grand. I've have heard good things about the Nordiska pianos from this forum and really like to hear from people who own them or techs that have worked on them. I am a total beginner at piano and would like a piano that could last a while and one that I would not outgrow. I really like the prices of the Nordiska's and the new Piano book has said good things about them. Please let me know if the Nordiska is worth the effort. Again, the price point is where I want to stay and I haven't been able to find any Yamaha's or Kawai's in that price point that aren't 20 or 30 years old. Please advise.

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#159870 - 08/09/06 09:51 PM Re: Nordiska  
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Nordiska's are a great value for their price point and sound lovely. If you can swing the 6'1", then go for it. But be sure to play as many pianos as you can before purchasing. Also, many dealers offer trade ups - generally in the first 3 to 5 years. So if you plan to upgrade during that time, then you may want to check this out too.
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#159871 - 08/09/06 10:39 PM Re: Nordiska  
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Welcome to the forum, tx360! I think the Nordiska is a fine choice and should last you a long time. I second jollyroger's advice to go with the 6'1" if you can swing it in terms of price and space. Keep in mind that negotiation is standard with pianos and you will not be paying the asking or list price.

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#159872 - 08/10/06 08:53 AM Re: Nordiska  
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Depends on what you want, and how much you want to pay.

The 5 footer is too short, musicality and value start at the 5'5", just as you've noticed.

I think the biggest competition for the Nordiska grands are the Indonesian built Samicks...do try the 5'9" K&C if you get a chance.

But as far as problems with mine...none, nada, zippola.


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#159873 - 08/10/06 08:55 AM Re: Nordiska  
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Originally posted by tx360:
I'm hoping to buy a grand piano soon and am currently researching pianos and have been considering a Nordiska 5'5" or the 6'1" grand. I've have heard good things about the Nordiska pianos from this forum and really like to hear from people who own them or techs that have worked on them. I am a total beginner at piano and would like a piano that could last a while and one that I would not outgrow. I really like the prices of the Nordiska's and the new Piano book has said good things about them. Please let me know if the Nordiska is worth the effort. Again, the price point is where I want to stay and I haven't been able to find any Yamaha's or Kawai's in that price point that aren't 20 or 30 years old. Please advise.
And if my opinion wasn't biased enough laugh , you'll find Geneva's NAMM tech and their retired national sales manager on this site:

http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=2&mforum=pianosinc


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#159874 - 08/10/06 09:31 AM Re: Nordiska  
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I really thank you guys for your replies. I am so nervous about buying a grand piano. Just learning to play the piano in my late 30's is big enough, but the piano shopping process is not easy. I'm so afraid that I will get the wrong piano or get ripped off in some way. The dealers are showing me pianos in the high $17-$19K and the mid $20's, but if the Nordiska is a fine piano in the $10K range why should I pay more. The other pianos may be better, but I doubt if I will turn in a concert pianist any time soon.

Anyone else out there that can give advise, please feel free.

#159875 - 08/10/06 10:51 AM Re: Nordiska  
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Originally posted by tx360:
I really thank you guys for your replies. I am so nervous about buying a grand piano. Just learning to play the piano in my late 30's is big enough, but the piano shopping process is not easy. I'm so afraid that I will get the wrong piano or get ripped off in some way. The dealers are showing me pianos in the high $17-$19K and the mid $20's, but if the Nordiska is a fine piano in the $10K range why should I pay more. The other pianos may be better, but I doubt if I will turn in a concert pianist any time soon.

Anyone else out there that can give advise, please feel free.
I don't think I would go so far as "fine"...kinda depends on what your yardstick is...at 10k and under, I think the standard Nordiska line is a worthy competitor to whatever is out there. When comparing them to a 20K piano...well, most of the time gimmee the $20K piano! laugh


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#159876 - 08/10/06 01:53 PM Re: Nordiska  
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First off, I'm sincerely happy for the folks who love their Nordiskas.

But I feel I have to put in my proverbial 2 cents - perhaps I'm the lone dissenting voice?

The 7' Nordiska I play continues to have problems. frown

I just played through a gargantuan choral work last night, and there are significant touch issues. For lack of a better word, the action has sort of a crunchy/spongy feel and I find it very challenging to play expressively (uneven voicing). The treble does not sing, and I over play - it is very tiring. Believe it or not, I'm actually taking today off to recuperate!

I dunno...maybe this specific piano is just a lemon? confused

But I like this piano a bit more than most of the under-maintained old pianos typically found at churches and schools.

PS: Another pet peeve - one more rubber button has disappeared! mad Another button that fell off months ago has been replaced by an ugly brown doorstop-looking thing.

#159877 - 08/10/06 02:36 PM Re: Nordiska  
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Originally posted by whippen boy:
First off, I'm sincerely happy for the folks who love their Nordiskas.

But I feel I have to put in my proverbial 2 cents - perhaps I'm the lone dissenting voice?

The 7' Nordiska I play continues to have problems. frown

I just played through a gargantuan choral work last night, and there are significant touch issues. For lack of a better word, the action has sort of a crunchy/spongy feel and I find it very challenging to play expressively (uneven voicing). The treble does not sing, and I over play - it is very tiring. Believe it or not, I'm actually taking today off to recuperate!

I dunno...maybe this specific piano is just a lemon? confused

But I like this piano a [b]bit
more than most of the under-maintained old pianos typically found at churches and schools.

PS: Another pet peeve - one more rubber button has disappeared! mad Another button that fell off months ago has been replaced by an ugly brown doorstop-looking thing. [/b]
1. You need a tech like Rick Clark, who knows this design well, and how to get the best out of it. I've heard it said that this size of Nordiska could really benefit from having a bit larger shanks with a bit different hammer - something to lend it some more power without having to lean into it as hard.

2. I like the pianos, but I don't think of them as workhorses in places like colleges or churches. Not yet.


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#159878 - 08/10/06 02:40 PM Re: Nordiska  
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I suppose I'll be perpetually frustrated with this situation.

I have no connection to the venue, and I am pretty sure they don't want to spend $$ on prep work. After all, they chose to get a very inexpensive piano!

They DID have a little bit of work done, at my urging.

I just don't want to push it...

#159879 - 08/10/06 03:21 PM Re: Nordiska  
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I can add on to what Jolly stated.

I had looked extensively for a piano in the 10 - 12K range. The Nordiska and Indonesian K&C grands came out on top for the price. In the end I purchased a KCG 650 6'1" grand. Myself and my 3 children love it and we have had no problems with it. I would highly recommend that you at least take a look at one.

The Nordiska was also good for the price range, but the action did not have as nice a touch. In addition, some of the fit an finish was not as well done.

Happy Hunting !!


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#159880 - 08/10/06 06:18 PM Re: Nordiska  
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I have to second what Jolly and Cassman said. I too own an Indonesian Kohler and Campbell-- the KCG 600. However make sure if you look at Kohler that it is the prefix KCG (or even better KFM). Recently someone bought what he thought was a Kohler but actually was a Hazelton Brothers (it had the prefix HBK but said Kohler Campbell on the fallboard!) That is supposed to be a less expensive model. ....

Best wishes.

#159881 - 08/10/06 06:46 PM Re: Nordiska  
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I have only played one Nordiska. It was 5'5". This piano was sold and already prepped for delivery, but the dealer was gracious enough to let me try it out anyway. I have to say it had one of the most beautiful treble registers of any piano I have played. The bass, though, was somewhat weak. I think that is probably characteristic of small pianos in general, but I found the Nordisaka to be weaker in the bass than many other similar sized instruments.

Honestly the piano is one that could make many people happy for years to come. The action on this one, contrary to WB's experience, felt quite nice. If I hadn't been offered a crazy low price on my Kawai I might very well be awaiting delivery of a new Nordiska now.


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#159882 - 08/11/06 06:21 PM Re: Nordiska  
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TX-Dennis, I second your observation about the bass on the 5'5" Nordiska. That is why I would strongly suggest getting the 6'1" Nordiska rather than the 5'5". I'm not that experienced, and I've heard that bigger pianos will tend to have a better lower register (by no means a rule, just a tendency), but the difference in the bass between the 5'5" and th 6'1" seems to be much greater than you would expect just from the size difference.

tx360, that being said, I think the Nordiska 6'1" is an excellent playing and sounding piano that you will be happy with, as will the K&C's mentioned here also. Definitely go play the K&C too if you can.


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#159883 - 08/11/06 09:55 PM Re: Nordiska  
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Jolly made an interesting point a few posts back.

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like the pianos, but I don't think of them as workhorses in places like colleges or churches. Not yet.
What constitutes the type of load that you'd need a "workhorse" piano for? An hour a day? Two?

What kind of music? Bach? Rachmaninoff? AC/DC?


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#159884 - 08/11/06 11:27 PM Re: Nordiska  
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"For lack of a better word, the action has sort of a crunchy/spongy feel and I find it very challenging to play expressively (uneven voicing). "

A common problem seen in many newer lower-priced instruments is mis-bored, or too tight balance rail holes in the keys. This sounds a lot like the symptoms you describe. BUT, if there's no cash for a fix...

#159885 - 08/12/06 12:16 AM Re: Nordiska  
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What constitutes the type of load that you'd need a "workhorse" piano for? An hour a day? Two?

What kind of music? Bach? Rachmaninoff? AC/DC?
University pianos often get as much as ten hours a day of use, from piano performance majors at the college level.

I'd guess that church pianos typically get a few hours use for choir rehearsal, and then two to six hours of intermittent use on Sunday (with much more possible use, and possibly with multiple pianos). But the environmental conditions are challenging (heat cycles on/off twice a week, vs. twice a year in a home), and every service is a performance, so the requirements are demanding.

Certainly the type of music and the pianist are factors. Kids playing one hand at a time don't put the same wear on as more advanced students.

You know who puts the most wear on a piano? Piano tuning schools. We hit every single key, hard, many times, every day.

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#159886 - 08/12/06 12:04 PM Re: Nordiska  
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Hadn't thought about the tuning schools...otherwise Cy gave a better answer to my statement than I could have...


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#159887 - 08/12/06 01:08 PM Re: Nordiska  
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The Indonesean-built Samicks are not only some of the Kohler & Campbells, but the Samicks, J. Prambergers, Conover Cables and Remingtons as well.

Most are different scale designs so you should play as many as possible before deciding.


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Ron - A quick fix for tight balance rail holes is to put a flange spacer tool on a T-handle. Insert the wide end all the way down on both sides of each key at the balance hole. Gently twist the T-handle. This eases the sides of all the balance rail holes in a couple of minutes. Works great on all the low priced pianos. It will take a couple grams of touch weight off the keys, and free up sticking.


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