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The Underplayed/Unknown Romantic Piano Concertos #1595467
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I listen to lots of underplayed romantic piano concertos lately. Somehow the famous orchestras and pianists often perform only the most famous now days. I mean these:

Rachmaninoff 2,3
Grieg
Tchaikovsky 1
Saint-Saëns 2
Chopin 1,2
Liszt 1,2
Schumann
Brahms 1,2
Gershwin
Mendelssohn 1
Shostakovitch 1,2
Prokofiev 3,5
Beethoven (all of them)

A year ago I head from someone almost all romantic piano composers had written piano concertos (with some strange exceptions like Schubert). There is also a CD compilation of underplayed piano concertos on the Hyperion label. It's more than 50 albums already. Over this year I heard lots of unknown piano concertos by unknown romantic masters. These Piano Concertos I like the most and I recommend to you all.:

Paderewski
Moszkowski
Rubinstein 4
Bortkiewicz 1
Scharwenka 1,4

Listen them on youtube!

Are there any underplayed "Romantic" (plz no Mozart/Haydn) piano concertos that you could recommend to me and this forum? I've not the time or the money for the whole Hyperion set frown







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Re: The Underplayed/Unknown Romantic Piano Concertos [Re: FreddyChopin] #1595504
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There are so many great "Unpopular" romantic piano concertos!

All of Saint-Saens piano concertos are worth looking into! the fift is my personnal favourite.



to ptomote my owne country, there are two by Thomas tellefsen a pupil of Chopin, here is a clip from the seccond




And Geirr Tveitt made five, tho the seccond one is lost, and the tird only exist in the composers own reccording from the 40's

Piano concerto no.1


no.5


No.4


Christian Sinding had one


Hope you enjoy them!

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Get the complete Saint Saens set. I got it for Christmas and it's awesome. Even though he's a fairly known composer and not obscure, you really don't hear much else besides the 2nd (occasionally you'll hear 4, maybe the 5th if you're lucky).

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To the list thusfar provided, let me definitely add the Alexander Glazunov Concerto #1 (Op 93). This is a two movement concerto written in 1911 -- it's the one concerto that I played with a community orchestra, and IMO is a knockout. I understand that Glazunov wrote a 2nd concerto (Opus 102 or so) which is supposedly better yet. Certainly include him in your consideration of neglected romantic repertoire.

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Originally Posted by FreddyChopin


Are there any underplayed "Romantic" (plz no Mozart/Haydn) piano concertos



Something tells me you wouldn't find either on a "romantic" piano concerto list. Just sayin'.



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Originally Posted by Orange Soda King
Get the complete Saint Saens set. I got it for Christmas and it's awesome. Even though he's a fairly known composer and not obscure, you really don't hear much else besides the 2nd (occasionally you'll hear 4, maybe the 5th if you're lucky).


Do you mean you got the complete set of scores or recordings and if it's recordings you mean who is the pianist? My guess is Collard.



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Re: The Underplayed/Unknown Romantic Piano Concertos [Re: FreddyChopin] #1595611
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Chopin's: Variations on a Theme by Mozart 'La Ci Darem la Mano'
Liszt: Concerto Pathetique
Liszt: Fantasy on Hungarian Themes
Hummel: Piano Concertos (all)
Scriabin: Piano Concerto



Re: The Underplayed/Unknown Romantic Piano Concertos [Re: FreddyChopin] #1595612
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And let's not forget the two concertos for two pianos by Mendelssohn.(E Major and Ab major). They are simply gorgeous.

This may not be the best but it will give you a taste of the E major.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYj0a1hR_Zw&playnext=1&list=PL203417BDD4B39944&index=15


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Re: The Underplayed/Unknown Romantic Piano Concertos [Re: stores] #1595639
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Originally Posted by stores
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Get the complete Saint Saens set. I got it for Christmas and it's awesome. Even though he's a fairly known composer and not obscure, you really don't hear much else besides the 2nd (occasionally you'll hear 4, maybe the 5th if you're lucky).


Do you mean you got the complete set of scores or recordings and if it's recordings you mean who is the pianist? My guess is Collard.


Recordings. And it's actually Stephen Hough, although I've heard Collard's and they're great.

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Has anyone mentioned the Busoni concerto? Not that I'm in love with it or even closely familiar with it, but you might want to look into the piece. It's massive!


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Originally Posted by sarah_elizabeth
Has anyone mentioned the Busoni concerto? Not that I'm in love with it or even closely familiar with it, but you might want to look into the piece. It's massive!



Calling argerichfan...

And YES, I LOVE that concerto! The beginning is sooooo beautiful! And of course, the other 70 minutes is amazing too. laugh

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Chausson, Concerto for Piano, Violin, and String Quartet. Also the Dvorak and Rimsky-Korsakov concertos.


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Big fan of the Bortkiewicz 1st, Medtner 2nd, and Moszkowski concertos.


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Originally Posted by Orange Soda King

Calling argerichfan...

And YES, I LOVE that concerto! The beginning is sooooo beautiful! And of course, the other 70 minutes is amazing too. laugh


Embarrassingly, I can't even remember how the concerto starts since I've only heard it once. blush I need to buy a recording and get busy!


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Originally Posted by sarah_elizabeth
Originally Posted by Orange Soda King

Calling argerichfan...

And YES, I LOVE that concerto! The beginning is sooooo beautiful! And of course, the other 70 minutes is amazing too. laugh


Embarrassingly, I can't even remember how the concerto starts since I've only heard it once. blush I need to buy a recording and get busy!





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This is the "standard" recording to buy. It's like $6 for mp3 download from Amazon. I prefer it to most of the others I've heard, including Hamelin, although I like Kun-Woo Paik's.


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Re: The Underplayed/Unknown Romantic Piano Concertos [Re: Orange Soda King] #1595722
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Originally Posted by Orange Soda King
Originally Posted by sarah_elizabeth
Has anyone mentioned the Busoni concerto? Not that I'm in love with it or even closely familiar with it, but you might want to look into the piece. It's massive!



Calling argerichfan...

And YES, I LOVE that concerto! The beginning is sooooo beautiful! And of course, the other 70 minutes is amazing too. laugh

You rang? When I see a thread such as this, the Busoni never comes to mind. This magnificent and endlessly fascinating work just seems to stand outside of the realm of an underplayed/ unknown work. It is a whole world unto itself, incomparable to any other work, the landscape of a precious soul, a sunken treasure, a musical equivalent (in a certain secret respect) of C.S. Lewis's writings.

The piece shouldn't be well known. It is for the very few to love and cherish.

Jeez, it's snowing like crazy. Supposed to turn to rain by tomorrow morning, hope so!

My big underplayed Romantic concertos are:

Rimsky-Korsakov (unaccountably neglected)
Scriabin
Moszkowski
Henselt (probably impractically difficult)
Korngold Left Hand
Scharwenka 1
Tchaikovsky 3

I've heard tonnes of other 'neglected' piano concertos, but in general I have found that they make fun listening for one run-through, but don't really 'wear 'well. Basically they just recycle a lot of technically well-trodden territory, and after a while there is a feeling of interchangeability.

Symptomatic of this was listening to the 2nd concerto of Hermann Goetz last Friday evening. (With score.) Yeah, some great tunes in the grand romantic style -quite delicious- but then a rather distressing feeling of predictability started to assert itself. Frankly, by the end of the concerto, Goetz's piano writing had become tiresome on the ear.

I so much appreciate Hyperion's efforts -good on you guys!- but in the realm of Romantic piano concertos, there are very few undiscovered masterpieces. Herz and company have been well served, and anyone who gets off on that stuff... well by all means! But don't compare that to the Liszt Eb.


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Originally Posted by Orange Soda King
This is the "standard" recording to buy.

The ONLY one! 3hearts


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Szymanowski: Symphonie Concertante
Scriabin: Prometheus (the Concerto can't hold a candle)
Scharwenka: Concerto No. 4 in F minor
Sgambati: Concerto in G minor

I promise I'm not just trying to list all the S's! I honestly think these four are better than many of the warhorses.

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Medtner - Piano Concerto No.1 in C minor


Pierné - Piano Concerto in C minor


MacDowell - Piano Concerto No. 2


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Although he is sometimes considered transitional (classical/romantic), John Field composed some wonderful concerti. His slow movements are exquisite.



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Originally Posted by feebee_liszt
Medtner - Piano Concerto No.1 in C mino>


For some reason, most pianists play Medtner in a monotonous style without any real phrasing. It's not at all like the way Medtner played his own music. He was restrained and fluent, with a golden and human touch. It always makes me wonder how good he must have been with other composers' music, because he turns his own works, which can sound trite and repetitive under lesser pianists, into magic. There are many Youtubes of him playing his music..

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Get the complete Saint Saens set. I got it for Christmas and it's awesome. Even though he's a fairly known composer and not obscure, you really don't hear much else besides the 2nd (occasionally you'll hear 4, maybe the 5th if you're lucky).


Do you mean you got the complete set of scores or recordings and if it's recordings you mean who is the pianist? My guess is Collard.


Recordings. And it's actually Stephen Hough, although I've heard Collard's and they're great.


I'd take Hough any day. That's no offense to Collard, but Hough is simply brilliant.



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Everybody many thx for your input so far. I already knew the Busoni concerto and I don't like it. It's too complex (and long) for my taste. I like especially the Polish/Russian composers when it comes to piano concertos. Now I've a great to do (listen) list:

Saint-Saëns 3,4,5
Glazunov 1,2
Scriabin
Medtner 1,2
Stenhammar 2
Berwald
MacDowell
Pierné
Rimsky-Korsakov
Henselt
Korngold (Left Hand)
Tchaikovsky 3
Szymanowski: Symphonie Concertante
Scriabin: Prometheus
Sgambati
the concertos by Norwegian composers (I only know Grieg)
Hummel (all)
Field (something)
Chopin's: Variations on a Theme by Mozart 'La Ci Darem la Mano'
Liszt: Concerto Pathetique
Liszt: Fantasy on Hungarian Themes

This Arensky Fantasia for piano and orchestra is very beautiful!It costs only 9 minutes. The end is great!:



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There is a big thread at Pianophilia where the scores to many of these lesser known and hard to find Romantic concertos are posted.(not that I ever look)

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