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I am 'doremi' because I play scales My teacher is 'domisol' because he plays chords
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doremi, This new Clavinova changed my view on DPs. While I do not doubt that this instrument is a very nice digital piano, it should perhaps be noted that the CLP-295 is not a new model. According to this page it was launched in early 2007. Cheers, James x
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There are some cutting edge DPs from Roland and Kawai. Yamaha is overdue for some new Clavinovas. Don't know what I'll see, but NAMM will be fun this year.
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The CLP-295 is more or less the CLP-280 in a decorative piano shaped cabinet, but you pay a huge premium for the piano shaped cabinet. A couple years back, Yamaha introduced the newer CLP-380 to replace the CLP-280, which cost less than the CLP-295 but is a better DP still. You'll find that compared to 10-year-old stuff, current DP's have made gains, and I think that's the right amount of time to upgrade for a new one, every 10 years or so. Some people just have to have the latest and greatest and upgrade from the CLP-280 to 380, which while is an upgrade, isn't much of one.
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My comment would be that the CLP-295 is average at best...totally outclassed by many other DPs (some of them by Yamaha). I've just bought a small grand piano (certainly inferior to your Kawai) and I am astounded that you think the Clavinova is on a par with a Kawai RX-3...the acoustic experience is beyond anything a digital can do in so many ways. This is not a view I've held before but now I have experience of both.
Along with many others on this forum I really appreciate the many advantages of digital pianos but I cannot believe the playing experience can be compared.
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I bought a Yamaha GC1 in the end...I think I wanted a Chinese grand piano but the travelling necessary to test one was just too much. The GC1 was five minutes away and I liked it a lot.
I think the technology in the CLP-295 is much older than four years...I think it has four layer sampling and Yamaha have been making that level of DP technology for ages...whilst the other manufacturers have stormed ahead.
I had a Yamaha GranTouch GT2 for a few years with full grand piano action and extremely beefy amp/speaker system and it was nothing compared to the GC1 or indeed a Kawai CA-93 or Roland HP-307 for instance.
I totally respect your opinion but know that there are many DPs that are better (and many of these are cheaper) than the CLP-295. What really mystifies me, as I begin the journey of exploring my own grand piano, is how you feel that the CLP-295 is "on a par" with your RX-3.
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EssBrace, may I ask what it is/was about Chinese GPs that appealed to you?
Ah, congratulations on your new piano, by the way!
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EssBrace, may I ask what it is/was about Chinese GPs that appealed to you? The price! The spec for the price you pay is astoundingly good. The two makes that appealed most were Brodmann and Wendl and Lung. But I played it safe and have bought a Yamaha after visiting a very nice piano shop in Norwich initially ...and coincidentally, that shop originally supplied my piano to its first owner five years ago. But that owner didn't play it so it is as new. Had I been able to afford a new Kawai RX from that very nice shop in Norwich, that's what I would have done. Cheers, Steve
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My comment would be that the CLP-295 is average at best...totally outclassed by many other DPs (some of them by Yamaha). Totally outclassed? In what way? Despite it's age, the specs put the CLP295 just short of Yamaha's best.
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He missed the completely and absolutely .... its Totally completely absolutely outclassed ...and its about replaced by the new model 400 series. My comment would be that the CLP-295 is average at best...totally outclassed by many other DPs (some of them by Yamaha). Totally outclassed? In what way? Despite it's age, the specs put the CLP295 just short of Yamaha's best.
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Well, the new 400's don't seem to be much different than the 300's or 200's. Very little changes.
High-end features get moved to the mid-range models and, eventually to the low-end models. Meanwhile, cutesy features get added to the high-end models.
Not much has changed in 10 years. The CLP295, only four years old, still seems a good choice.
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Well, the new 400's don't seem to be much different than the 300's or 200's. Very little changes. They are not even announced yet.
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They showed at NAMM. A few market-speak words, but little more. If they had anything worthwhile to say, NAMM would have been the place to say it.
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Another try, the CLP-295GP has the iAFC (Instrumental Active Field Control) that the GT2 and slabs do not have, see below Yamaha’s marketing speak. Is it all smoke and mirrors or is there something to it? I take your point about the iAFC...it is this feature that lifts the performance of the CLP-380 beyond what its technical specs might lead you to expect. But in terms of sound, there are two issues here...1. tone generation, 2. sound system. The 295 is well behind the times in terms of tone generation - that is the point I am making. In terms of sound system the 295 is probably very good and no doubt is better than most, if not all, console style DPs. But by current standards it is dealing with the problem from the wrong end. If I had to choose I'd rather have tip-top tone generation and so-so sound system than the other way around. Just my opinion. Cheers, Steve
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The 295 has the SAME tone generation as ALL the other CLP-200 and -300 models, discounting the number of sampling levels (1 or 3 or 4 or 5), and the other "goodies" like DDE/dynamic damper, iAFC, etc.
And that's really the problem. They've not made many changes in the past ten years. If you want something different, look at the Kawai soundboard-equipped models or the Roland super-naturals. Otherwise, the CLP295 is about as good as it gets in the Yamaha line, save for the few minor goodies on the newer, high-end models. In a comparison, the 295 stands up nearly as well today as it did years ago.
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