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#1589574 - 01/03/11 11:35 AM Re: Luck and the concert pianist [Re: lisztonian]  
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luck plays a very large role in being famous. You have to be born into a situation where you are given the means and opportunity to hone your craft, and then you need to meet the right people who know the right people that can further your career.

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#1589723 - 01/03/11 03:14 PM Re: Luck and the concert pianist [Re: stores]  
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Originally Posted by stores
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Originally Posted by stores


And these phenomenal performers that you know have they chosen, as you say, to become "top-level touring A-list performers"?


Yes. Their whole life is focused upon that very elusive goal.


If they play as well as and in some cases better than the top tier pianists of note on today's stage, then, might I ask where they are? Major competitions? Performances?...


Where are they now? One is still scrambling to get there, the other has basically given up trying to get to the top, but is still playing on a local level.

ps...I will not name them, so please stop asking.


Piano teacher and Blues and Boogie-Woogie pianist.
#1589847 - 01/03/11 06:52 PM Re: Luck and the concert pianist [Re: rocket88]  
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Originally Posted by rocket88
Originally Posted by stores
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Originally Posted by stores


And these phenomenal performers that you know have they chosen, as you say, to become "top-level touring A-list performers"?


Yes. Their whole life is focused upon that very elusive goal.


If they play as well as and in some cases better than the top tier pianists of note on today's stage, then, might I ask where they are? Major competitions? Performances?...


Where are they now? One is still scrambling to get there, the other has basically given up trying to get to the top, but is still playing on a local level.

ps...I will not name them, so please stop asking.


I'm not asking you to name them. I'm wondering if they've entered any major comps or are performing at all. Unfortunately, a comp win is about what it takes to kick off a career these days (and has been for a while).



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#1589894 - 01/03/11 07:56 PM Re: Luck and the concert pianist [Re: stores]  
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I don't know all the details, except that they both pushed and pushed and tried and tried to get to the top.


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#1590035 - 01/03/11 10:59 PM Re: Luck and the concert pianist [Re: wr]  
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Originally Posted by wr

Sort of non sequitur, other than speaking of the good old days - one of the people I most admired in pop music, Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart), died last month.


Not really sure you could call the good Captain "pop"! But he is a case in point. He was inventive and original, to say the least, he chose not to be popular. With his voice he could have been a huge blues artist, but selling out wasn't his thing.


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#1590103 - 01/04/11 01:47 AM Re: Luck and the concert pianist [Re: Kreisler]  
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[quote=KreislerI always feel old when I say stuff like this, but when I was growing up in the 70's and 80's, I remember a lot more talent than today. The 70's and 80's had some really incredible talent - Eddie Van Halen, Michael Jackson, Elton and Billy, Madonna, Genesis, the Police, etc.. Sure, we had our share of fluff (Debbie Gibson, anyone?), but there were some seriously talented people in the business.[/quote]
It's probably true that even the standards of popular music have drastically lowered, but hasn't popular music always been geared toward an unsophisticated audience? I can't think of any pop singers who are as vocally accomplished as well-trained opera singers or any pop pianists who can compete with the likes of Horowitz, Rubinstein, or even Lang Lang.


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Bach: Partita #2 in c minor
Beethoven: Sonata #23 in f minor, Opus 57 ("Appassionata")
Chopin: Etudes Opus 25 #6,9,10,11,12
Prokofiev: Sonata #3 in a minor
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#1590135 - 01/04/11 04:05 AM Re: Luck and the concert pianist [Re: LaReginadellaNotte]  
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Originally Posted by LaReginadellaNotte
[quote=KreislerI always feel old when I say stuff like this, but when I was growing up in the 70's and 80's, I remember a lot more talent than today. The 70's and 80's had some really incredible talent - Eddie Van Halen, Michael Jackson, Elton and Billy, Madonna, Genesis, the Police, etc.. Sure, we had our share of fluff (Debbie Gibson, anyone?), but there were some seriously talented people in the business.

It's probably true that even the standards of popular music have drastically lowered, but hasn't popular music always been geared toward an unsophisticated audience? I can't think of any pop singers who are as vocally accomplished as well-trained opera singers or any pop pianists who can compete with the likes of Horowitz, Rubinstein, or even Lang Lang. [/quote]

Excuse me while I step outside to smokin , but first, let me say...let's please refrain from listing the latter pianist with the first two, ok? Thanks. (walks away and outside into the falling snow to smoke muttering "my GODDDDDDDDDDDD why must they do this to me...forever the abominations...")



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#1590471 - 01/04/11 02:26 PM Re: Luck and the concert pianist [Re: stores]  
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Of course, I wasn't suggesting that Lang Lang is anywhere near as good as Horowitz or Rubinstein. I was merely pointing out that even someone like Lang Lang is leagues ahead of famous pop pianists.


Recent Repertoire:
Liszt: Concerto #1 in Eb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dY9Qw8Z7ao
Bach: Partita #2 in c minor
Beethoven: Sonata #23 in f minor, Opus 57 ("Appassionata")
Chopin: Etudes Opus 25 #6,9,10,11,12
Prokofiev: Sonata #3 in a minor
Suggestion diabolique
#1590499 - 01/04/11 02:59 PM Re: Luck and the concert pianist [Re: stores]  
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Originally Posted by stores
Excuse me while I step outside to smokin , [...](walks away and outside into the falling snow to smoke muttering "my GODDDDDDDDDDDD why must they do this to me...forever the abominations...")


-- laugh !


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#1590511 - 01/04/11 03:17 PM Re: Luck and the concert pianist [Re: lisztonian]  
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I've been thinking about this for a while, lately: What's the big deal about fame?

I kind of think being a top-tier pianist and being famous are two different things. If fame is your motivator, then, yuck!

There is, however, something very special, indeed, when you connect with a live audience. And when you believe you have something special to give them, and actually do, it starts.

How anyone "gets to the top," and what their true motivations are, is all so incredibly complicated and idiosynchratic. Talent, work ethic, support, connections, money, politics, timing... it hurts my brain to even start thinking about it. Pardon me while I go play piano for a while to calm down.


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#1590795 - 01/04/11 10:38 PM Re: Luck and the concert pianist [Re: lisztonian]  
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I am not so sure luck plays such a big role, a pianist with the same skill as argerich, horowitz, yundi li etc would not take long to 'become' a concert pianist. All they would need to do is win a competition, and their career would be kick started. Perhaps luck, in the sense of being born into a family which supports and encourages your goal, having excellent teachers, and ample time to practice is a much bigger factor.

#1590806 - 01/04/11 10:56 PM Re: Luck and the concert pianist [Re: Cinnamonbear]  
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Originally Posted by Cinnamonbear
I've been thinking about this for a while, lately: What's the big deal about fame?

I kind of think being a top-tier pianist and being famous are two different things. If fame is your motivator, then, yuck!

I think that aspiring pianists want to be both top-tier and famous. After all, the prospect of fame and recognition is the reason why dedicating yourself to music seems like a worthwhile ambition.


Recent Repertoire:
Liszt: Concerto #1 in Eb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dY9Qw8Z7ao
Bach: Partita #2 in c minor
Beethoven: Sonata #23 in f minor, Opus 57 ("Appassionata")
Chopin: Etudes Opus 25 #6,9,10,11,12
Prokofiev: Sonata #3 in a minor
Suggestion diabolique
#1590825 - 01/04/11 11:41 PM Re: Luck and the concert pianist [Re: LaReginadellaNotte]  
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Originally Posted by LaReginadellaNotte
Originally Posted by Cinnamonbear
I've been thinking about this for a while, lately: What's the big deal about fame?

I kind of think being a top-tier pianist and being famous are two different things. If fame is your motivator, then, yuck!

I think that aspiring pianists want to be both top-tier and famous. After all, the prospect of fame and recognition is the reason why dedicating yourself to music seems like a worthwhile ambition.


Understood. But then the motivation is misplaced, imho.

Longing to immerse yourself in an ocean of glorious harmonic frequencies and bringing something of the sublime to others would be the purer...


A HYMN TO CONTENTMENT. by Thomas Parnell (1679-1718)
Lovely, lasting peace of mind!
Sweet delight of human kind!
Heavenly born, and bred on high,
To crown the favourites of the sky
With more of happiness below,
Than victors in a triumph know!
Whither, oh! whither art thou fled,
To lay thy meek, contented head?
What happy region dost thou please
To make the seat of calm and ease?


Ambition searches all its sphere
Of pomp and state, to meet thee there.
Increasing Avarice would find
Thy presence in its gold enshrined.
The bold adventurer ploughs his way,
Through rocks amidst the foaming sea,
To gain thy love; and then perceives
Thou wert not in the rocks and waves.
The silent heart which grief assails,
Treads soft and lonesome o'er the vales,
Sees daisies open, rivers run,
And seeks (as I have vainly done)
Amusing thought; but learns to know
That Solitude's the nurse of Woe.
No real happiness is found
In trailing purple o'er the ground;
Or in a soul exalted high,
To range the circuit of the sky,
Converse with stars above, and know
All Nature in its forms below;
The rest it seeks, in seeking dies,
And doubts at last for knowledge rise.


Lovely, lasting peace appear!
This world itself, if thou art here,
Is once again with Eden bless'd,
And Man contains it in his breast.


'Twas thus, as under shade I stood,
I sung my wishes to the wood,
And, lost in thought, no more perceived
The branches whisper as they waved:
It seem'd as all the quiet place
Confess'd the presence of the Grace,
When thus she spoke:—'Go, rule thy will;
Bid thy wild passions all be still;
Know God—and bring thy heart to know
The joys which from Religion flow:
Then every Grace shall prove its guest,
And I'll be there to crown the rest.'


Oh! by yonder mossy seat,
In my hours of sweet retreat;
Might I thus my soul employ,
With sense of gratitude and joy!
Raised as ancient prophets were,
In heavenly vision, praise, and prayer;
Pleasing all men, hurting none,
Pleased and bless'd with God alone:
Then, while the gardens take my sight
With all the colours of delight;
While silver waters glide along,
To please my ear, and court my song:
I'll lift my voice, and tune my string,
And Thee, Great Source of Nature! sing.


The sun, that walks his airy way,
To light the world, and give the day;
The moon, that shines with borrow'd light;
The stars, that gild the gloomy night;
The seas, that roll unnumber'd waves;
The wood, that spreads its shady leaves;
The field, whose ears conceal the grain,
The yellow treasure of the plain;—
All of these, and all I see,
Should be sung, and sung by me:
They speak their Maker as they can,
But want, and ask, the tongue of man.


Go, search among your idle dreams,
Your busy, or your vain extremes;
And find a life of equal bliss,
Or own the next begun in this!





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#1590834 - 01/05/11 12:12 AM Re: Luck and the concert pianist [Re: Cinnamonbear]  
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#1590838 - 01/05/11 12:24 AM Re: Luck and the concert pianist [Re: stores]  
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Originally Posted by stores

Excuse me while I step outside to smokin , but first, let me say...let's please refrain from listing the latter pianist with the first two, ok? Thanks. (walks away and outside into the falling snow to smoke muttering "my GODDDDDDDDDDDD why must they do this to me...forever the abominations...")

You can be so hilarious (there's that word again) sometimes. Keep the posts coming, I always read 'em!

Seriously, I do wonder why LL is mentioned with H and R, all things considered, seems a bit premature to make that call.

Nevermind, I could politely point out that we have recordings of H and R from the same age as LL, but things will just go to heck as they always do.


Jason
#1590844 - 01/05/11 12:52 AM Re: Luck and the concert pianist [Re: Kreisler]  
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Originally Posted by Kreisler

And please don't anyone mention U2. I will never understand the popularity of U2. Or why people take Bono as seriously as they do. I mean, the Joshua Tree was a good album...

Sad.

As a teen I saw them in concert several times, I loved their music, and met Bono once, just once, after a concert. He was an incredible man. Jeez, sorry for that...


Jason
#1590846 - 01/05/11 12:57 AM Re: Luck and the concert pianist [Re: LaReginadellaNotte]  
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Originally Posted by LaReginadellaNotte
Originally Posted by Cinnamonbear
I've been thinking about this for a while, lately: What's the big deal about fame?

I kind of think being a top-tier pianist and being famous are two different things. If fame is your motivator, then, yuck!

I think that aspiring pianists want to be both top-tier and famous. After all, the prospect of fame and recognition is the reason why dedicating yourself to music seems like a worthwhile ambition.


Maybe I misread this post, but if I didn't then I need to disagree. I think the love of music is why it's worthwhile to dedicate yourself to it.

#1591224 - 01/05/11 03:01 PM Re: Luck and the concert pianist [Re: DissonantTurtle]  
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I don't think that great musicians are focused on the love of music for its own sake. I think that musicians develop a love for and dedication to music because they are attracted to the idea of being great. The urge to achieve excellency appears to motivate musicians more than anything else. It has been said that Horowitz and Rubinstein were primarily concerned with success, being the most famous, and being perceived as the greatest.


Recent Repertoire:
Liszt: Concerto #1 in Eb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dY9Qw8Z7ao
Bach: Partita #2 in c minor
Beethoven: Sonata #23 in f minor, Opus 57 ("Appassionata")
Chopin: Etudes Opus 25 #6,9,10,11,12
Prokofiev: Sonata #3 in a minor
Suggestion diabolique
#1591229 - 01/05/11 03:10 PM Re: Luck and the concert pianist [Re: LaReginadellaNotte]  
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Originally Posted by LaReginadellaNotte
It has been said that Horowitz and Rubinstein were primarily concerned with success, being the most famous, and being perceived as the greatest.
Although I'm sure Horowitz and Rubinstein had big egos, I've never read they were primarily concerned with being the most famous or perceived as the greatest. Where did you read that?

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There was a quote from Wanda in one of Horowitz's biographies where she claimed that Rubinstein was obsessed with fame and saw the piano as a means of achieving that. I also recall quotes from other musicians about how Horowitz was primarily concerned with being the most famous and being known as the greatest technician.


Recent Repertoire:
Liszt: Concerto #1 in Eb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dY9Qw8Z7ao
Bach: Partita #2 in c minor
Beethoven: Sonata #23 in f minor, Opus 57 ("Appassionata")
Chopin: Etudes Opus 25 #6,9,10,11,12
Prokofiev: Sonata #3 in a minor
Suggestion diabolique
#1591376 - 01/05/11 06:49 PM Re: Luck and the concert pianist [Re: LaReginadellaNotte]  
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Originally Posted by LaReginadellaNotte
I also recall quotes from other musicians about how Horowitz was primarily concerned with being the most famous and being known as the greatest technician.


I think I've read all the Horowitz biographies as well as "Remembering Horowitz" and I don't recall seeing that anywhere (could be wrong though). Don't get me wrong, Horowitz had both a huge and fragile ego so I'm sure public recognition ("fame") meant a lot to him but I don't think it was his primary interest.

Originally Posted by LaReginadellaNotte
There was a quote from Wanda in one of Horowitz's biographies where she claimed that Rubinstein was obsessed with fame and saw the piano as a means of achieving that.

I'd take the quote from Wanda about Rubinstein with a couple of bags of salt. Whatever their private difficulties, she mostly stood by her man in public and it's easy to see her being dismissive toward Rubinstein.


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#1591406 - 01/05/11 08:13 PM Re: Luck and the concert pianist [Re: Bogotano]  
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Originally Posted by Nicolas3031
I am not so sure luck plays such a big role, a pianist with the same skill as argerich, horowitz, yundi li etc would not take long to 'become' a concert pianist. All they would need to do is win a competition, and their career would be kick started. Perhaps luck, in the sense of being born into a family which supports and encourages your goal, having excellent teachers, and ample time to practice is a much bigger factor.


Possibly; Yet at the same time I know pianists with equal talent to those you mentioned whom are struggling to pay rent.

#1591449 - 01/05/11 09:48 PM Re: Luck and the concert pianist [Re: boo1234]  
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Originally Posted by boo1234
luck plays a very large role in being famous. You have to be born into a situation where you are given the means and opportunity to hone your craft, and then you need to meet the right people who know the right people that can further your career.


Perhaps, but read Artur Rubinstein's autobiographies. He met the "right people" again and again, but you can hardly describe his career, and life, in such a linear way. Rubinstein nearly killed himself in despair at one point, and his so-called success was erratic for quite a long time. The only thing that kept him going was his love of music and life. The rest seemed to just take care of itself.

What I find particularly refreshing with someone like Marta Argerich and her playing with relatively unknown pianists, or Maria Joao Pires and her Belgais Centre, or what happens regularly at Marlboro and the like... at least publicly they are emphasizing the music, not the stardom or the career. Once we do the latter we create monsters like Lang Lang who are more about career than music, imho.


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#1591451 - 01/05/11 09:50 PM Re: Luck and the concert pianist [Re: LaReginadellaNotte]  
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Originally Posted by LaReginadellaNotte
After all, the prospect of fame and recognition is the reason why dedicating yourself to music seems like a worthwhile ambition.


Bullshit.


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#1591474 - 01/05/11 10:24 PM Re: Luck and the concert pianist [Re: BB Player]  
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Originally Posted by BB Player
I think I've read all the Horowitz biographies as well as "Remembering Horowitz" and I don't recall seeing that anywhere (could be wrong though). Don't get me wrong, Horowitz had both a huge and fragile ego so I'm sure public recognition ("fame") meant a lot to him but I don't think it was his primary interest.

In the Glenn Plaskin biography, I remember several colleagues accusing Horowitz, at the beginning of his career, of being most interested in success with the public and being known as the top technician. Cortot even said that he was contemptuous of someone who wanted to use his unique phyiscal gifts to wow the public.


Recent Repertoire:
Liszt: Concerto #1 in Eb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dY9Qw8Z7ao
Bach: Partita #2 in c minor
Beethoven: Sonata #23 in f minor, Opus 57 ("Appassionata")
Chopin: Etudes Opus 25 #6,9,10,11,12
Prokofiev: Sonata #3 in a minor
Suggestion diabolique
#1591605 - 01/06/11 02:31 AM Re: Luck and the concert pianist [Re: LaReginadellaNotte]  
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Originally Posted by LaReginadellaNotte
Why is that "bullshit", toyboy?


I'd like to respond by saying "simply because it is" but obviously I doubt that would satisfy you. The one thing I can grant is that both of us are postulating motivation, which is a dicey enough thing to begin with. But if you want to show me a true musician that is motivated more by fame than by music, I'll show you a fraud. At least that's how I feel. From all I have read, it seems that most honest musicians carry their careers as a necessary burden in order to do what they love. And that in some ways they are no different than an amateur musician with a day job. It's just that their day job happens to be music making.

You almost answer your own question in your second point about Horowitz, stating that colleagues accused Horowitz... I'm not calling him a saint, but you have to ask which came first the musical egg or the musical chicken? Horowitz is/was in a class to himself (although he practised like a demon for it) and he was and still is accused of all sorts of things. But in his case at least, would someone so venal just stop playing in public for 12 years like he did, or for that matter, play as much Scriabin as he did? We can accuse the artist of all sorts of things, and sadly that seems to be a popular sport. Philistines live!

It's easy for any avid listener or fan to sit back in their armchair and pick apart motivations. But aside from the so-what aspect of that game, seems to me that if the music ain't there the career ain't there. That's what's so troubling about all this cultural emphasis on the "wow, look what I can do" aspect of music making. With some clever and talented pianists it's easy to make a career by "simply" (and I know it's not all that simple) showing it off. I said in another post that I'm less and less excited by virtuosic display. It's kind of like the proverbial Chinese food, after you finish listening, are you really feeling nourished and satisfied or simply drained from the visceral excitement of it all?

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#1591617 - 01/06/11 03:11 AM Re: Luck and the concert pianist [Re: toyboy]  
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Originally Posted by toyboy
Originally Posted by LaReginadellaNotte
Why is that "bullshit", toyboy?


I'd like to respond by saying "simply because it is" but obviously I doubt that would satisfy you. The one thing I can grant is that both of us are postulating motivation, which is a dicey enough thing to begin with. But if you want to show me a true musician that is motivated more by fame than by music, I'll show you a fraud. At least that's how I feel. From all I have read, it seems that most honest musicians carry their careers as a necessary burden in order to do what they love. And that in some ways they are no different than an amateur musician with a day job. It's just that their day job happens to be music making.

You almost answer your own question in your second point about Horowitz, stating that colleagues accused Horowitz... I'm not calling him a saint, but you have to ask which came first the musical egg or the musical chicken? Horowitz is/was in a class to himself (although he practised like a demon for it) and he was and still is accused of all sorts of things. But in his case at least, would someone so venal just stop playing in public for 12 years like he did, or for that matter, play as much Scriabin as he did? We can accuse the artist of all sorts of things, and sadly that seems to be a popular sport. Philistines live!

It's easy for any avid listener or fan to sit back in their armchair and pick apart motivations. But aside from the so-what aspect of that game, seems to me that if the music ain't there the career ain't there. That's what's so troubling about all this cultural emphasis on the "wow, look what I can do" aspect of music making. With some clever and talented pianists it's easy to make a career by "simply" (and I know it's not all that simple) showing it off. I said in another post that I'm less and less excited by virtuosic display. It's kind of like the proverbial Chinese food, after you finish listening, are you really feeling nourished and satisfied or simply drained from the visceral excitement of it all?


Standing ovation from me, toyboy! thumb

Along with your well-expressed two syllable characterization, I can think of one more: "sell-out." Although, the one syllable "fraud" is beautifully said!

It takes some amout of ego to think you are good enough to "perform" for people. It takes a degree of humility to realise that it's a gift to have the ability to perform well enough that people to want to listen to you. These can collide. It gets messy when there is also a "neediness" in a person to recieve praise for an accomplishement. Or a realisation of the responsibility in bringing your interpretation (meaning an expression of your very soul) into the historical record. Motivations are truly complex, and life is messy. Anyone motivated to the craft by fame will probably get what they are after in some way, shape or form. But what they really need is a healthy dose of introspection, or they are in for the biggest bummer you can imagine, imho. And that bummer won't arrive right away, either.


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#1591627 - 01/06/11 04:22 AM Re: Luck and the concert pianist [Re: toyboy]  
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Here, as opposed to there
Originally Posted by toyboy
Originally Posted by LaReginadellaNotte
After all, the prospect of fame and recognition is the reason why dedicating yourself to music seems like a worthwhile ambition.


Bullshit.


I'll second that in a big way.



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#1591650 - 01/06/11 05:45 AM Re: Luck and the concert pianist [Re: stores]  
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Why bullshit? I don t think la Regina meant that every artist has that in mind . But definitely some do. And i mean recognized classical music artists. Can think of a few conductors.


#1591717 - 01/06/11 09:01 AM Re: Luck and the concert pianist [Re: lisztonian]  
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