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Plate Pulling and Installing #1581776
12/21/10 10:27 PM
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What is an effective way of pulling and installing plates? Of course without back pain. Say 6' grand max.

DAN PiAnO TiNkErEr


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Re: Plate Pulling and Installing [Re: woodfab] #1581782
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Are you asking for information on what to use to lift the plate out? I think some of us use a engine lift, or a chain fall or come-a-long will work if securely mounted.


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Re: Plate Pulling and Installing [Re: woodfab] #1581787
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I have a block and tackle (from a Sailboat supply) which is additionally operated by an electric winch. (Harbor freight) The more reduction you can achieve the happier the piano technician. (Slow horizontal travel is really nice.) I use adjustable length strapping to connect to the plate.

All this works better with taller ceilings and a long distance for the electric winch cable to stretch out as the block and tackle requires a lot of cable excursion.


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Re: Plate Pulling and Installing [Re: woodfab] #1582129
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Using the Bolduc plate puller is very helpful.



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Re: Plate Pulling and Installing [Re: woodfab] #1582160
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An effective method to use is to tape strips of wood along the rim, to keep the plate from damaging the case if it hits it.


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Re: Plate Pulling and Installing [Re: woodfab] #1582172
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BDB, can you post a pic? I am refininshing a S&S "O". The owner asked me to refinish only the cabinet and when he saw the job we did he asked to refinish also the interior (soundboard and plate).

So we have to pull out and back in the plate and we want to avoid damages to the already refinished rim.



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Re: Plate Pulling and Installing [Re: woodfab] #1582190
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I do not have any pictures. Just take some wooden strips, 3/4" wide, 3/32" thick, cut to the height of the rim above the soundboard, and tape them vertically wherever the plate might touch the rim.


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Re: Plate Pulling and Installing [Re: woodfab] #1582205
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I see. Thank you very much.



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Re: Plate Pulling and Installing [Re: woodfab] #1582268
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Or tape the plate off and leave it in place. if you are spraying the finish you can reach all the areas required without removing the plate.


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Re: Plate Pulling and Installing [Re: woodfab] #1582277
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Thanks for the responses.

I like the Bolduc plate puller but my shop is small and I'd have to figure out a place to keep it when not in use.

I was thinking of putting (Unistrut 600lb. trolley) with a electric wench for removing and installing plates the biggest being a 5'6" grand.

DAN PiAnO TiNkErEr


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Re: Plate Pulling and Installing [Re: woodfab] #1582287
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Unless the plate is over 6 ft in length I just lift it out by hand….they are not that heavy really…


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Re: Plate Pulling and Installing [Re: woodfab] #1582292
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If you like, lift it little by little, and prop pieces of wood under the plate, essentially jacking it up. Squares of 2 by 6 will work. When it gets above the rim, you can put a board under it. Reverse the process to lower it. Be careful not to put your hand where it could fall on it.


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Re: Plate Pulling and Installing [Re: BDB] #1582335
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Originally Posted by BDB
If you like, lift it little by little, and prop pieces of wood under the plate, essentially jacking it up. Squares of 2 by 6 will work. When it gets above the rim, you can put a board under it. Reverse the process to lower it. Be careful not to put your hand where it could fall on it.


Dan, or should we call you Popeye... omg, by hand? one person? are you for real?


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Re: Plate Pulling and Installing [Re: Les Koltvedt] #1582341
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Originally Posted by Les Koltvedt
Originally Posted by BDB
If you like, lift it little by little, and prop pieces of wood under the plate, essentially jacking it up. Squares of 2 by 6 will work. When it gets above the rim, you can put a board under it. Reverse the process to lower it. Be careful not to put your hand where it could fall on it.


Dan, or should we call you Popeye... omg, by hand? one person? are you for real?


It really not that hard or heavy, I've done this way also, just be careful with where you place your hands


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Re: Plate Pulling and Installing [Re: woodfab] #1582342
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Three people can usually pull a plate.


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Re: Plate Pulling and Installing [Re: woodfab] #1582363
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Originally Posted by woodfab

I like the Bolduc plate puller but my shop is small and I'd have to figure out a place to keep it when not in use.

DAN PiAnO TiNkErEr


The plate puller is the blue bar that is attached to the hook.
So storage should not be a problem. The puller is just as good with a chain hoist. I don't like straps as I had one break lifting a 9 foot plate once. The strap looked good but was around 5 years old. The plate was an half an inch off of my plate dolly so I was lucky. Had it been over the piano I would have been in a bit of trouble.

I use metal rods going through the plate from the bolts holes to help guide the plate in on out. I also use thin cardboard between the inner rim and plate to protect the finish. It is thin enough I can bend it over the top edge and it follows a curve.

The plate puller bar works well for 9 footers too.

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Re: Plate Pulling and Installing [Re: Les Koltvedt] #1582396
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Originally Posted by Les Koltvedt

Dan, or should we call you Popeye... omg, by hand? one person? are you for real?


Dan IS for real. Arms like tree trunks, temper like a raging bull. Don't you or anyone else mess with him.

Re: Plate Pulling and Installing [Re: woodfab] #1582441
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Yeah Les, usually I get my wife to lift the other end…you know Mrs. Popeye……

Hey hey I’m a pussy cat over here Jurgen…..yes you can inch the plate out bit by bit á la BDB’s explanation….


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Re: Plate Pulling and Installing [Re: woodfab] #1582511
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I have pulled many plates by hand. When I want it out and don't want to waste time. Two people can do it like mentioned.

When it comes to going back in after the cabinet is refinished or in and out many times for pin block/sound board work, hand bombing is a bit risky.

Well off to have a few cheeseburgers grin




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