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Used Yam CLP930 or YDP223 or Technics Sx334 or New Celviano
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Hello,

I am trying to purchase a starter piano for my daughter and was thinking a used piano would be the way to go, however, now I am not so sure. The Celviano line seems to be aggressively priced for the features it offers. In regards to features, obviously newer pianos will have better/more tech features, but I am just trying to figure what is most important. I'm gathering that weighted action is important and ivory touch would give a more authentic feel, but beyond that I am trying to figure out what else I should be focusing on. In my price range and area, I've narrowed down three used pianos that seem to be good quality pianos from past generations and I was wondering if any of the 3 stand out from the others and also how they compare to the Celviano line. I'm thinking for a few more dollars it may be safer to go with a brand new piano with a warranty. Any advice or opinions anyone can share on this will be greatly appreciated. Thanks

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Given those choices, I think you should take a good look at the Celvianos.

I owned a YDP 223 for several years. It was a good piano, but doesn't compare well with the sound and features of newer pianos. The CLP 930 is even older and has only one sampling level, so even though it was probably the best of the three when new, it's now approaching obsolescence. I know nothing about Technics other than that they no longer make pianos, which could be a reason to steer clear.

I would suggest adding to your post your actual budget so responders know which new pianos, Celviano or otherwise, may be contenders.

I have nothing against used DPs, especially for a child who may quickly lose interest, but I would try to stick with models less than 5 years old.

Best of luck to you and your daughter.

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Avoid the Technics. Parts are getting harder to find.


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Thanks to both of you that posted. I am looking to spend $700 - $1,200. Obviously, that is a big range. The closer to $700 the better. From the sound of it, I would be better off going with a new Celviano. On that, the 420 has the Ivory keys, is that a big deal compared to the keys on the 220?

Thanks again.

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Technics digitals are no longer sold in the US, and this fact should enable you to literally steal it. No matter what it sold for new, or if it is in perfect condition and just as good as a brand new digital, you should offer no more than around $300 for it, and that's being very generous--$50-$150 would be more in line with what it's really worth. Digitals are very durable and reliable and this should offer you many yrs. of playing, and would be just as good as a brand new digital costing thousands.

Another thing to consider is that the dropout rate in piano is very high, so not spending a lot on a piano makes sense.

You don't need the so-called "ivory-feel" keys--new $20,000 acoustic pianos don't have ivory keys. I use a Williams Overture digital that I bought sight-unseen online last yr. for $600. This is one of the cheapest full-console digitals around and yet I find it satisfactory for any playing, from jazz improv to the biggest concertos.

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Originally Posted by Gyro
Technics digitals are no longer sold in the US, and this fact should enable you to literally steal it. No matter what it sold for new, or if it is in perfect condition and just as good as a brand new digital, you should offer no more than around $300 for it, and that's being very generous--$50-$150 would be more in line with what it's really worth. Digitals are very durable and reliable and this should offer you many yrs. of playing, and would be just as good as a brand new digital costing thousands.


Hmmm... I find myself in rare agreement with Gyro (other than the part about "just as good as brand new"). A rock bottom low ball offer on the Technics might be worth a shot. If it's a private seller and it's been on the market a while they might take a few hundred. That gives you a serviceable beginner piano that you could sell for near what you paid if your daughter either loses interest or shows promise and you want to upgrade later.

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I can vouch for the technics. Will be cheap as chips and super reliable, will do the job fine for starter piano. Will not have graded hammer effect however, and polyphony is pretty low by todays standards.

I had a technics several notches up in specification from the sx334 and 10 years later, still worked as good as new. You cannot beat that for reliability.

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Update: I ended up finding a used/open box Celviano AP-420 for $550. Just picked it up today. I know I'm a novice, but it is sweet; it feels pretty authentic to me, and it is loaded with features. I'm glad I got a current model, and while it's not considered "top of the line" for many experienced players, it certainly is more than adequate for us. It should be fine for at least the next few years even if she/we end up really getting into it.

Thanks again to all those who posted.

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Sounds like a pretty good deal - congrats!

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Sweet deal. Looks like you got just what you wanted/needed for below budget. Congrats!


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