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Yes, it does matter. There is no moral equivalence between hate speech such as advocacy of genocide and making a political statement like Zimerman's. Are you arguing that an artist should never say or do anything that might offend someone? That anytime someone is offended by a performance they have the right to a refund ? come on. Art often does offend someone-- Stravinsky caused riots in Paris over the Rites of Spring. Someone taking offense at something per se does not mean it was wrong or should not have been done. If people were so offended or threatened by what Zimerman said that they felt they had to leave, it was their choice but I don't think they have any right to a refund. He played the concert-- and I'll bet that he played that Chopin piece with some feeling.

No, it's not.

What? Are you out of your freaking mind?

There are no videos, only the reports.

I'm betting they mean the 4 or 5 part audio (on Youtube) that a few were talking about earlier.

Should it be prorated or the full price??

I thought that, but figured they'd be smart enough to scroll up.

First off, Zimerman is a pianist, not an artist. Secondly, if people rioted over a classcial music concert, that's just plain stupid IMO. But I agree with you on the refund part. Unless what was promised wasn't delivered.

You never give your shoulders a rest, Ed..

First off, Zimerman, IS, indeed, an artist of the highest caliber (one of the top two or three alive, in my opinion) and secondly there NEED to be more riots over things like classical music concerts in this world!!! That said, I'm not the least bit surprised by either of your statements and no I don't want to discuss the whole artist thing.

I'm sorry. I don't understand that.

The chip.. on your shoulders..

A pianist who is not an artist is not worth listening to.. I will take Ohlsson anyday over the improvising new age artists. But to each her own...

No chip. Just my opinion. Or are you only tolerant when Zimerman says something?

Making a statement like this here, where you know everyone will disagree with you (and invoking a much larger argument of vague terms) is known as trolling, my friend.



And this is feeding the troll, although you're promising not to feed him very much. ("Just this sacrificial spring maiden, and that's all the food for you!")

-J

I think that you are the victim of much tolerance around here, actually.

Trolling? What about freedom of expresson my friend? Sorry I 'invoked' you.

As are you.

I take it back. According to Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales's definition of trolling, you are certainly not a troll. But your statement had some trollish qualities. Might I call you a troglodyte?

-Jason

The only reason it had 'trollish qualities' as you put it is because you don't agree with it. Kind of like this guy Zimerman you keep defending.

So are you implying here that his political rant was part of his artistic performances of his recital pieces. I'm surprised that you're comparing this with the uproar Stavinsky's composition caused.



I guess I'm not as smart as the moderator. Maybe I didn't read the entire thread and had better things to do? No, I'm not smart enough.. that's the only explanation. Moderators can come to that conclusion any time without being questioned about it. I get it. Does PW have any criteria for selecting its moderators, I wonder?




Full price. That single rant, if it spoiled the experience for me, is good enough reason for me to be fully reimbursed. Again to be clear, that rant was NOT meant to be part of the artistic interpretations of those works or whatever. So people who want to argue that Stravinsky's Rites of Spring and Zimmerman's anti-US tirade are similar, won't get a reply from me from now on. Finally, these are all arguments with justifications clearly spelled out. If you think people need to be out of their minds to be able to disagree with you, you are living in a fantasy world. You present arguments against these justifications that I just spelled out instead of writing only useless sentences like "are you out of your mind". That would help the discussion a lot and help keep it calm and civil.

This is #1 of 5. He doesn't get into politics until the end of #4 and #5.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6PpDQ6miBg&feature=related