Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2.7 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
What's Hot!!
PIANO TEACHERS Please read this!
-------------------
European Tour for Piano Lovers
JOIN US FOR THE TOUR!
--------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums RULES & HELP
-------------------
ADVERTISE on Piano World
(ad)
Best of Piano Buyer
 Best of Piano Buyer
Find a Professional
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers

Advertise on Piano World

Who's Online Now
94 registered members (15shoes, 90125, Beowulf, AssociateX, A Guy, AnnInMiami, accordeur, AndyP, 24 invisible), 1,218 guests, and 7 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Live Piano Venues
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Directory/Site Map
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords & Scales
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Mendelssohn "song without words", which one to pick? #1569321
12/03/10 01:13 PM
12/03/10 01:13 PM
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 27
P
PLV Offline OP
Full Member
PLV  Offline OP
Full Member
P

Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 27
I am considering starting play around with some Mendelssohn piece. Do you have any suggestion?
I am an amateur, probably "early intermediate" is the proper description for my current level, so I am looking for suggestion on pieces that are easier technically.

Piano & Music Gifts & Accessories (570)
Piano accessories and music gift items
Re: Mendelssohn "song without words", which one to pick? [Re: PLV] #1569324
12/03/10 01:16 PM
12/03/10 01:16 PM
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 21,898
Victoria, BC
BruceD Offline
Gold Subscriber
BruceD  Offline
Gold Subscriber

Joined: May 2001
Posts: 21,898
Victoria, BC
My suggestion, if you're limiting your choice to the Mendelssohn "Songs Without Words" is to play through them and find one that is at your level and that pleases you.

There are several among the 48 that could possibly interest you and be at your level; "early intermediate" is vague enough that I wouldn't want to suggest any particular ones.

Regards,


BruceD
- - - - -
Estonia 190
Re: Mendelssohn "song without words", which one to pick? [Re: BruceD] #1569336
12/03/10 01:31 PM
12/03/10 01:31 PM
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 27
P
PLV Offline OP
Full Member
PLV  Offline OP
Full Member
P

Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 27
Thanks Bruce, this is undoubtetly the best way. However I was looking for someone who has played them or few of them and have some particular one to recommend by being not too demanding.
Then of course if it is still too demanding for me, I'll leave it aside and I'll try again in a year or two.

Re: Mendelssohn "song without words", which one to pick? [Re: PLV] #1569353
12/03/10 02:00 PM
12/03/10 02:00 PM
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 24,380
New York City
pianoloverus Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
pianoloverus  Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Joined: May 2001
Posts: 24,380
New York City
Listening on Youtube is even better than playing through them IMO. Many pianists can't play through a work and get much idea of how it sounds like. It may also be true that some can't listen to a piece with the score in front of them and decide if the diffuclty level is appropriate, but I think in general more people can do that successfully.

Barenboim has Youtube recordings of all/most of them together with the music. See next post.

Last edited by pianoloverus; 12/04/10 07:49 AM.
Re: Mendelssohn "song without words", which one to pick? [Re: PLV] #1569357
12/03/10 02:02 PM
12/03/10 02:02 PM
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 24,380
New York City
pianoloverus Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
pianoloverus  Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Joined: May 2001
Posts: 24,380
New York City
Originally Posted by PLV
I am considering starting play around with some Mendelssohn piece. Do you have any suggestion?
I am an amateur, probably "early intermediate" is the proper description for my current level, so I am looking for suggestion on pieces that are easier technically.
In general, the slower ones are easier than the faster ones. Some I would recommend listening to(* = the easiest ones):

The first one, Op. 19 No.1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYEggRrIH50

Op. 19 No.2*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-n_wbCxabY&feature=related

Op. 19 No.4*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p-lnBD4uhM&feature=related

Op. 19 No.6, Venetian Boat Song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPiFPbqRqo0&feature=related

Op. 30 No.6, Venetian Boat Song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re-eu9q_yUU

Op. 38 No.4*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAFrRuSaLiI&feature=related

Op. 38 No.6, Duetto
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQtLgjZCEbQ

Op. 53 No.4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2n2kgiwu5k&feature=fvw

Op. 62 No.1, May Breezes(can be played slower than Barenboim does)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSWPNty4uTc

Op. 62 No.3, Funeral March
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsqyGJklR5I&feature=related

Op. 85 No.4, Elegy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdD7l0VwmKc

Op. 102 No.6*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a47CkWxjoQ&feature=related


Last edited by pianoloverus; 12/03/10 03:11 PM.
Re: Mendelssohn "song without words", which one to pick? [Re: PLV] #1569379
12/03/10 02:58 PM
12/03/10 02:58 PM
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 219
C
cast12 Offline
Full Member
cast12  Offline
Full Member
C

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 219
Op. 19 no. 1 is what I'd choose.

Re: Mendelssohn "song without words", which one to pick? [Re: PLV] #1569389
12/03/10 03:21 PM
12/03/10 03:21 PM
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 787
South Carolina
G
Gerard12 Offline
500 Post Club Member
Gerard12  Offline
500 Post Club Member
G

Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 787
South Carolina
Beautiful pieces all.......but at the risk of sounding fussy and pedantic, if your skill level is truly 'early intermediate,' and you really want to play some Mendelssohn, then I would suggest first trying out #'s 2 and 4 from 6 pieces for children, opus 72 (please don't take the title literally):

http://216.129.110.22/files/imglnks...sohn_-_Op.72_-_6_Pieces_for_Children.pdf

The experience you gain by learning how to sustain the dynamic balance between melody and accompaniment will pay off when you are ready for the Songs....

I hope that you have a teacher or someone who can help you.



Piano instruction and performance
Re: Mendelssohn "song without words", which one to pick? [Re: Gerard12] #1569479
12/03/10 05:10 PM
12/03/10 05:10 PM
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 2,008
T
Tim Adrianson Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Tim Adrianson  Offline
2000 Post Club Member
T

Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 2,008
I'm not a great Mendelssohn fan, but my personal favorite in the "Lieder ohne Worte" is the Duetto, Op 38 #6. The very first one, Op 19 #1 is a charmer, and well known. The two "Venetian Boat Songs", Op 19 #, and Op 30 #6, are very effective, and I would say early intermediate in difficulty. The Op 38 #2 is a very familiar one.

Re: Mendelssohn "song without words", which one to pick? [Re: PLV] #1569482
12/03/10 05:16 PM
12/03/10 05:16 PM
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 2,354
The Netherlands, Grootegast-Gr...
Johan B Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Johan B  Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 2,354
The Netherlands, Grootegast-Gr...
My favorite....opus 19 nr 2....

Played it this week about twelve times.....

Best regards,
Johan B


[Linked Image]
Kawai CA95SB (Previous:Yamaha CLP320PE & DGX620)
Motto's:
'Music is a way of living' & 'Nil volentibus arduum'
Re: Mendelssohn "song without words", which one to pick? [Re: PLV] #1569711
12/04/10 01:11 AM
12/04/10 01:11 AM
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 4,264
Pretoria South Africa
btb Offline
4000 Post Club Member
btb  Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 4,264
Pretoria South Africa
My plug would be for Mendelssohn Song without Words Opus 38-6 (“Duetto”) ... a gentle Andante con moto ... essentially a haunting single-note dialogue between
the hands ... but growing more robust with octave chords latterly ... and yet maintaining a thematic duet right to the final chords ... 4 minutes plus to play.



Re: Mendelssohn "song without words", which one to pick? [Re: btb] #1569715
12/04/10 01:24 AM
12/04/10 01:24 AM
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 9,373
Pacific Northwest, US.
A
argerichfan Offline
9000 Post Club Member
argerichfan  Offline
9000 Post Club Member
A

Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 9,373
Pacific Northwest, US.
Originally Posted by btb
My plug would be for Mendelssohn Song without Words Opus 38-6 (“Duetto”) ...

That's a nice little duet for Victorian lovers, though modern Anglicans are probably still trying to get a life after the smugly patronizing anthem Hear my prayer.

Whatever, I love Mendelssohn's 'Songs', much like GBS in his exasperation, 'What do I care? Give me Cockaigne!'

(An 'inside' reference here.)


Jason
Re: Mendelssohn "song without words", which one to pick? [Re: PLV] #1569720
12/04/10 01:37 AM
12/04/10 01:37 AM
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 1,941
Australia
Canonie Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Canonie  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 1,941
Australia
Shaw?


[Linked Image]
Composers manufacture a product that is universally deemed superfluous—at least until their music enters public consciousness, at which point people begin to say that they could not live without it.
Alex Ross.
Re: Mendelssohn "song without words", which one to pick? [Re: Canonie] #1569725
12/04/10 01:52 AM
12/04/10 01:52 AM
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 9,373
Pacific Northwest, US.
A
argerichfan Offline
9000 Post Club Member
argerichfan  Offline
9000 Post Club Member
A

Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 9,373
Pacific Northwest, US.
Originally Posted by Canonie
Shaw?

Right-O. But what was the reference?

Here it is:

But if you say that Elgar's Cockaigne overture combines every classic quality of a concert overture with every lyrical and dramatic quality of the overture to Die Meistersinger, you are either uttering a platitude as safe as a compliment to Handel on the majesty of the "Hallelujah" Chorus, or else damning yourself to all critical posterity by uttering a gaffe that will make your grandson blush for you. Personally, I am prepared to take the risk. What do I care for my grandson? Give me Cockaigne.

My basic attitude about the Mendelssohn 'Songs without words'. What do I care, especially when Charles Rosen says (to this affect): 'they aren't insipid, but they might as well be'.

Fightin' words. Adorable stuff they are, and don't be messing with Mendelssohn, okay?

smokin

I am going out this evening. Cheers!


Jason
Re: Mendelssohn "song without words", which one to pick? [Re: PLV] #1571760
12/07/10 05:25 AM
12/07/10 05:25 AM
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 27
P
PLV Offline OP
Full Member
PLV  Offline OP
Full Member
P

Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 27
Thanks for all your suggestions. It really helped me expand my knowledge of these little jewels.

I will start with op 30 no.3. It seems very approachable, just one page long and several small sections which are easy to study separately. Yet it requires a strong sense of direction throughout the whole piece.

Last edited by PLV; 12/07/10 05:25 AM.
Re: Mendelssohn "song without words", which one to pick? [Re: argerichfan] #1571763
12/07/10 05:41 AM
12/07/10 05:41 AM
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 1,941
Australia
Canonie Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Canonie  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 1,941
Australia
Originally Posted by argerichfan
Originally Posted by Canonie
Shaw?

Right-O. But what was the reference?

Here it is:

But if you say that Elgar's Cockaigne overture combines every classic quality of a concert overture with every lyrical and dramatic quality of the overture to Die Meistersinger, you are either uttering a platitude as safe as a compliment to Handel on the majesty of the "Hallelujah" Chorus, or else damning yourself to all critical posterity by uttering a gaffe that will make your grandson blush for you. Personally, I am prepared to take the risk. What do I care for my grandson? Give me Cockaigne.

My basic attitude about the Mendelssohn 'Songs without words'. What do I care, especially when Charles Rosen says (to this affect): 'they aren't insipid, but they might as well be'.

Fightin' words. Adorable stuff they are, and don't be messing with Mendelssohn, okay?

smokin

I am going out this evening. Cheers!

laugh Thank you. I am enlightened! I couldn't believe their really was a Cockaigne overture, so I googled it.

For playing I've really enjoyed Song Without Words opus 85 no.2, good for an agitato sort of mood.
opus 85 no. 2


[Linked Image]
Composers manufacture a product that is universally deemed superfluous—at least until their music enters public consciousness, at which point people begin to say that they could not live without it.
Alex Ross.
Re: Mendelssohn "song without words", which one to pick? [Re: PLV] #1571909
12/07/10 10:18 AM
12/07/10 10:18 AM
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 21,898
Victoria, BC
BruceD Offline
Gold Subscriber
BruceD  Offline
Gold Subscriber

Joined: May 2001
Posts: 21,898
Victoria, BC
Does anyone know the hymnn version of "We Would See Jesus" based on Mendelssohn's LOW (SWW), Op. 30, No. 3? Is it used in any churches these days?


We would see Jesus- for the shadows lengthen
Across the little landscape of our life;
We would see Jesus- our weak faith to strengthen
For the last weariness, the final strife.


etc. ....

Regards,


BruceD
- - - - -
Estonia 190
Re: Mendelssohn "song without words", which one to pick? [Re: BruceD] #1571914
12/07/10 10:29 AM
12/07/10 10:29 AM
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 9,373
Pacific Northwest, US.
A
argerichfan Offline
9000 Post Club Member
argerichfan  Offline
9000 Post Club Member
A

Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 9,373
Pacific Northwest, US.
Originally Posted by BruceD
Does anyone know the hymnn version of "We Would See Jesus" based on Mendelssohn's LOW (SWW), Op. 30, No. 3? Is it used in any churches these days?

Yes. It is hymn #174 in the Christian Science Hymnal to these words:

Like as a mother,
God comforteth His children;
Comfort is calm,
that bids all tumult cease;




Jason

Moderated by  Brendan, Kreisler 

(ad)
Pianoteq
PianoTeq Petrof
(ad)
Sweetwater - Keyboards
Sweetwater
ad
Jazz Piano Online
Jazz Piano Lessons Online

New Topics - Multiple Forums
What is the best sampled VST for classical piano?
by Tyrone Slothrop. 01/16/19 10:30 PM
Is Vassar College really as good as it looks in music?
by Forest_Hills_Daddy. 01/16/19 09:48 PM
Piano Music on i_heart_radio
by Handyman. 01/16/19 04:54 PM
How do you upload mp3 files?
by Vilhelm Moqvist. 01/16/19 04:17 PM
DGX-660 And Recording Vocal Track
by ndmuscutt. 01/16/19 03:56 PM
Forum Statistics
Forums40
Topics189,612
Posts2,782,582
Members92,127
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
(ad)
Accu-Tuner
Sanderson Accu-Tuner
Please Support Our Advertisers
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver

Sweetwater

PianoTeq Petrof
Piano Buyer Spring 2018
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers


 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter |


copyright 1997 - 2018 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.2