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#1571146 - 12/06/10 09:55 AM Good advanced cocktail/jazz-arrangements?  
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Hey everybody

I'm a classical trained pianist and like to play some cocktail-music from time to time. However I found it hard to find good advanced arrangements of tunes like As time goes by (Casablanca), Autumn leaves, Misty etc. What are your favorite arrangements of those (and similar)? Is there any particular arranger you can recommend for intermediate-advanced jazz/cocktail-arrangements?

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#1571165 - 12/06/10 10:32 AM Re: Good advanced cocktail/jazz-arrangements? [Re: goodkeys]  
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Sorry, but no. I make it up as I play. You could approach these ballads as a piece by Chopin or Schumann, Mendelssohn, etc.
One thing I do recommend (and that is if you don't know how to) is to learn to read chord charts (or Fake Book/Real Book charts).
You've had classical training which means you know a lot of different accompaniment styles (and of course arpeggios/scales) already. "All" you have to do is get your technique to work within the chord chart realm.

#1571200 - 12/06/10 11:47 AM Re: Good advanced cocktail/jazz-arrangements? [Re: goodkeys]  
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HI, Goodkeys,

A good series of books for intermediate/advanced piano solos of classic "American Songbook" type songs is the Steinway Library series. The name of the first volume is "Steinway & Sons Vol. 1: Piano Stylings of the Great Standards." There are 6 volumes in that set, and there are other volumes as well (Jazz, Christmas, etc).

The family of Cy Walter has made his arrangements of classic songs available to the public on their website:
http://www.cywalter.com/ "Embraceable You," "Moon River," "Begin the Beguine," and "Isn't it Romantic?" are there as well as many more. Some of these look pretty advanced to me.

George Shearing has a book of his piano solos of these classic songs available called "George Shearing Interpretations for Piano" (Deluxe Edition).

Roger Williams has an advanced piano solo of "Autumn Leaves" still available.

I think the ones I mentioned are all available at Sheet Music Plus online and probably lots of other sources. Let me know if you have any questions! Have fun!
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#1571212 - 12/06/10 11:58 AM Re: Good advanced cocktail/jazz-arrangements? [Re: goodkeys]  
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Goodkeys,

"Misty" by Erroll Garner is also available in his piano solo arrangement, which is more advanced than the song version, which is also very pretty.

The piano solo version is available here:
http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/title/Misty/1306040

I hope it's okay to list a source because I don't think the piano solo version is very easy to find otherwise.

Kathy


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#1571350 - 12/06/10 03:41 PM Re: Good advanced cocktail/jazz-arrangements? [Re: goodkeys]  
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Here is a site with lots of transcriptions/arrangements for upper intermediate to advanced players


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#1571385 - 12/06/10 04:21 PM Re: Good advanced cocktail/jazz-arrangements? [Re: goodkeys]  
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The World's Best Piano Arrangements has complete written out "pro" level arrangements of many favorites, including several George Shearing renditions.

Complete Advanced Piano Solos by Dan Coates has similar pro-style, written out arrangements of favorites. A complete arrangement of As Time Goes By is in there.

#1571415 - 12/06/10 05:04 PM Re: Good advanced cocktail/jazz-arrangements? [Re: chrisbell]  
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Originally Posted by chrisbell
Sorry, but no. I make it up as I play. You could approach these ballads as a piece by Chopin or Schumann, Mendelssohn, etc.
One thing I do recommend (and that is if you don't know how to) is to learn to read chord charts (or Fake Book/Real Book charts).
You've had classical training which means you know a lot of different accompaniment styles (and of course arpeggios/scales) already. "All" you have to do is get your technique to work within the chord chart realm.


+1 ...the perfect answer!


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#1571598 - 12/06/10 10:08 PM Re: Good advanced cocktail/jazz-arrangements? [Re: cruiser]  
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Hi Playagain

Originally Posted by Playagain
The family of Cy Walter has made his arrangements of classic songs available to the public on their website:
http://www.cywalter.com/ "Embraceable You," "Moon River," "Begin the Beguine," and "Isn't it Romantic?" are there as well as many more. Some of these look pretty advanced to me.


Thanks for sharing this...its a great website, with so much great music !



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#1571622 - 12/06/10 10:55 PM Re: Good advanced cocktail/jazz-arrangements? [Re: goodkeys]  
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#1571699 - 12/07/10 02:00 AM Re: Good advanced cocktail/jazz-arrangements? [Re: Dror Perl]  
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You're welcome, Dror Perl! It is so nice that the family is sharing his music!
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#1571707 - 12/07/10 02:15 AM Re: Good advanced cocktail/jazz-arrangements? [Re: goodkeys]  
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I play and teach cocktail piano style music and "borrow" a lot of my techniques from Chopin, Beethoven, Debussy, etc. smile

#1571739 - 12/07/10 04:48 AM Re: Good advanced cocktail/jazz-arrangements? [Re: goodkeys]  
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Thanks for all the contributions, some great pointers here. There's a lot to try out now smile But feel free to add more of your favorites, especially arrangements of Autumn leaves as I personally don't like Roger Williams version

#1572437 - 12/08/10 03:36 AM Re: Good advanced cocktail/jazz-arrangements? [Re: goodkeys]  
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Okay, here's my Autumn Leaves recording (cocktail piano style): I'm using a left-hand Chopin Etude pattern at times - which one?
Answer: Revolutionary Etude smile


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#1572973 - 12/08/10 10:28 PM Re: Good advanced cocktail/jazz-arrangements? [Re: goodkeys]  
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Originally Posted by goodkeys
I'm a classical trained pianist and like to play some cocktail-music from time to time. However I found it hard to find good advanced arrangements of tunes like As time goes by (Casablanca), Autumn leaves, Misty etc. What are your favorite arrangements of those (and similar)? Is there any particular arranger you can recommend for intermediate-advanced jazz/cocktail-arrangements?


I've struggled with this dilemma also. Basically, I've gotten tired of looking for good arrangements, and have decided to better understand the "grammar" of music so that I can improvise and make my own arrangements. This way, I'm less limited, and will spend my time in musical endeavors rather than searching for charts.

That said, here are some thoughts about good advanced arrangements.

The Steinway series on Stylings (mentioned already) has some really great arrangements. They are pretty advanced. Almost all of the songbooks of Hal Leonard arrangements are pretty lame, although I do like the arrangment for "Misty" and for "The Christmas Song" (in several songbooks by Hal Leonard). I've also seen some arrangements by Dan Coates that are pretty good also (he has a series of books for Advanced players).

These are the best that I have found, after much looking. But frankly, I still think that learning structure and other musical details (which you may have already mastered) will yield much better results by then making your own arrangements. For example, when I think of Autumn Leaves, I can't help thinking of Roger Williams. But if you play it with a Latin beat, it comes alive.

Cheers,

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#1573053 - 12/09/10 01:21 AM Re: Good advanced cocktail/jazz-arrangements? [Re: Hop]  
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That's the great thing about a true classic like Autumn Leaves, you can play it as a ballad or as jazz/swing with a walking bass, and it always sounds good: smile

[color:#FF0000]AUTUMN LEAVES[/color]

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#1573314 - 12/09/10 01:01 PM Re: Good advanced cocktail/jazz-arrangements? [Re: Hop]  
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Originally Posted by Hop
I've struggled with this dilemma also. Basically, I've gotten tired of looking for good arrangements, and have decided to better understand the "grammar" of music so that I can improvise and make my own arrangements. This way, I'm less limited, and will spend my time in musical endeavors rather than searching for charts.

That said, here are some thoughts about good advanced arrangements.

The Steinway series on Stylings (mentioned already) has some really great arrangements. They are pretty advanced. Almost all of the songbooks of Hal Leonard arrangements are pretty lame, although I do like the arrangment for "Misty" and for "The Christmas Song" (in several songbooks by Hal Leonard). I've also seen some arrangements by Dan Coates that are pretty good also (he has a series of books for Advanced players).

These are the best that I have found, after much looking. But frankly, I still think that learning structure and other musical details (which you may have already mastered) will yield much better results by then making your own arrangements. For example, when I think of Autumn Leaves, I can't help thinking of Roger Williams. But if you play it with a Latin beat, it comes alive.

Cheers,

Hop
I think you weren't aware of everything out there, much of of it for free. What I posted is just the tip of the iceberg. Just for Bill Evans alone there might be as many as 20 volumes available with his stuff.

Besides what I posted:

Tons of Art Tatum transciptions(meaning note for note from his performances)
Tones of Fats Waller
Many books with George Shearing arrangements
Harlem Stride Piano(collection with Johnson, Waller, etc)
Several books by Marian McPartland
The Gershwin Songbook(18 songs arranged by Gershwin)
At last two other volumes with note for note lengthier transcriptions of Gershwin playing his osngs
Tons of Ennio Morricone note for note transcriptions
Tons of Oscar Peterson transcriptions

Just another tip of the iceberg and almost all much more advanced than the Steinway collections.




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#1573426 - 12/09/10 04:37 PM Re: Good advanced cocktail/jazz-arrangements? [Re: pianoloverus]  
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Transcriptions are Ok, and in fact I have a few. However, if I wanted to play note-for-note piano I'd probably study Mozart sonatas or Chopin, etc. Nothing wrong with that, it's just not for me.

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Originally Posted by Hop
Transcriptions are Ok, and in fact I have a few. However, if I wanted to play note-for-note piano I'd probably study Mozart sonatas or Chopin, etc. Nothing wrong with that, it's just not for me.

Hop
My point was you said you got tired of looking for good arrangements, but there really are a tremendous number of them.

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#1583706 - 12/25/10 06:07 AM Re: Good advanced cocktail/jazz-arrangements? [Re: pianoloverus]  
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That's interesting that there are 'tons' of Oscar Peterson transcriptions available for free. Including all the other artists you mentioned, where are these transcriptions? I aware of about six different Oscar Peterson books which are availbale for free on the internet; in fact the same six books have multipied into hundreds of different copies. But none of them are really satisfactory. His jazz excercise books are fundamentally a waste of time. Even the Hal Leonard artis transcription books don't really contain all his best solos. Peterson actually didn't have a choice over which ones whiich were published, and some of the transcriptions contain errors. I've even seen Oscar Peterson transcriptions only published in Japan and not available in the US. Several years ago there was a Russian company that published some of his transcriptions which were actually worth while learning. That book however is near impossible to obtain. So exactly what is available of Oscar Peterson? And what have you posted?

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Originally Posted by andjazz
That's interesting that there are 'tons' of Oscar Peterson transcriptions available for free. Including all the other artists you mentioned, where are these transcriptions? I aware of about six different Oscar Peterson books which are availbale for free on the internet; in fact the same six books have multipied into hundreds of different copies. But none of them are really satisfactory. His jazz excercise books are fundamentally a waste of time. Even the Hal Leonard artis transcription books don't really contain all his best solos. Peterson actually didn't have a choice over which ones whiich were published, and some of the transcriptions contain errors. I've even seen Oscar Peterson transcriptions only published in Japan and not available in the US. Several years ago there was a Russian company that published some of his transcriptions which were actually worth while learning. That book however is near impossible to obtain. So exactly what is available of Oscar Peterson? And what have you posted?
If six books aren't enough for you or you don't like those transcriptions then I guess you won't be satisfied.


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