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Is this kid really good? ( Chopin waltz in A flat major ) #1567021
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She was 7 years and 10 months old when this video was recorded. After 1 year piano education.

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Re: Is this kid really good? ( Chopin waltz in A flat major ) [Re: simgekivilcim] #1567029
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Yes, she's really good. smile

Re: Is this kid really good? ( Chopin waltz in A flat major ) [Re: simgekivilcim] #1567046
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She's very good, but this kid was much better at the same age. He made his recital debut at 5 in a program of all the Bach Inventions plus sonatas by Hadyn and Mozart. Here he is at 11:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Nr_yuneFQ

It would great to see a video of Kissin made earlier than his famous performance of the Chopin Concerti, but I don't think there is one. Or of Josef Hofmann playing Carnegie Hall at around 10.


Re: Is this kid really good? ( Chopin waltz in A flat major ) [Re: simgekivilcim] #1567055
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Well, all that was asked is if she's really good.... smile

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Re: Is this kid really good? ( Chopin waltz in A flat major ) [Re: simgekivilcim] #1567058
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Is she your daughter?



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Re: Is this kid really good? ( Chopin waltz in A flat major ) [Re: simgekivilcim] #1567062
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Re: Is this kid really good? ( Chopin waltz in A flat major ) [Re: simgekivilcim] #1567105
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I think i entered in a prejudice empire. Well, she is not my daughter. In fact, I never married.I know her family since she was 3 years old.I am a Clinical Psychologist. Just sense of responsibility. I wonder if there is a specialist who can say something about musicianship, pharasing, control or etc?

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I'm wondering what you mean by 'sense of responsibility'?

But in any event, since you asked for more: She is doing very well, and she's definitely "really good" for someone of her age, but I'm not sure how much higher we could put her beyond that. She does some excellent and interesting things with the rhythm, the 'energy' is excellent, and she shows a terrific dynamic range. As for phrasing (and other things like sensitivity), she has learned the basics of how to phrase, but there's some crudeness and a sense of some things being sort of "forced" rather than natural which we usually don't see in the young children whose playing is most extraordinary. As for "control," it seems excellent, as does her technique.

Don't get me wrong -- she definitely gets an "A" smile and it's a lot better than I played at that age! If she continues with her music, she will be a very fine pianist.
And also BTW I'm not a "specialist" but I figured I'd answer anyway. smile

P.S. Not sure what you meant by "prejudice empire" either....

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Re: Is this kid really good? ( Chopin waltz in A flat major ) [Re: simgekivilcim] #1567133
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This kid is much better



Sorry for my English, I know it sucks, but I'm trying to improve.

Re: Is this kid really good? ( Chopin waltz in A flat major ) [Re: simgekivilcim] #1567142
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Re: Is this kid really good? ( Chopin waltz in A flat major ) [Re: simgekivilcim] #1567152
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She plays quite well. It would seem to me that she doesn't yet fully understand rubato and how to use it effectively in playing Chopin, but that is not something one would expect of a child her age. That will undoubtedly come with time as she matures as a musician. This performance sounds a little perfunctory at the moment in certain spots.

On the other hand, she has very good balance between the hands, and the melody is nicely shaped, for the most part.

She has a habit of "sucking in" her lips while playing that I find distracting, but that might be less evident in a live performance where one doesn't have the (dis)advantage of close-ups.

But, yes, overall, she plays very well.

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Originally Posted by Batuhan
This kid is much better



Batuhan, this kid is better than yours...!

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Originally Posted by simgekivilcim
I think i entered in a prejudice empire. Well, she is not my daughter. In fact, I never married.I know her family since she was 3 years old.I am a Clinical Psychologist. Just sense of responsibility. I wonder if there is a specialist who can say something about musicianship, pharasing, control or etc?
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Originally Posted by simgekivilcim
Originally Posted by Batuhan
This kid is much better



Batuhan, this kid is better than yours...!


LOL


Sorry for my English, I know it sucks, but I'm trying to improve.

Re: Is this kid really good? ( Chopin waltz in A flat major ) [Re: simgekivilcim] #1567168
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yes, simgekivilcim .. she is VERY good. I hope she pursues music.


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It depends what you mean by really good. Is she in the top 1% for her age? Maybe so. Is that really good?

She is poor compared to the best in the world for her age. Chopin Waltz in A flat and Waltz in C sharp minor are particularly easy Chopin as compared to the Chopin Etudes.

Here are a few links to really good children of a similar age playing the Chopin Etudes at full tempo.

Haochen Zhang
(already posted by pianoloverus)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Nr_yuneFQ

George Li
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHzZDdhQSnk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlUiYUOuwKg

Jordan Adams
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4td_Zn6G3U&playnext=1&list=PLFA89444843987CF3&index=16

Anna Larsen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfUBNCUoakw

Now that is really good.

Do they have Psychologists in Turkey? I don't know about us being called a bunch of racists on someone's 4th post.

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ok..

i definitely feel like an amateur now.


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So many talented young musicians! The future of classical music! thumb

By the way, I was just looking at Anna Larsen's video and it says "second grade" when she was 8, but the Youtube Homepage says:
Anna Larsen was born in March of 2000. She started playing the piano when she was three.
Well, maybe she started formal lessons at 6...?

Question to the teachers (in particular): Do you think the comment they left on the YouTube page is true, that is to say that pieces like Chopin's Etudes can harm very young kids who still haven't developed a full technique?



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Re: Is this kid really good? ( Chopin waltz in A flat major ) [Re: TheSockPuppet] #1567558
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It depends what you mean by really good. Is she in the top 1% for her age? Maybe so. Is that really good?

She is poor compared to the best in the world for her age. Chopin Waltz in A flat and Waltz in C sharp minor are particularly easy Chopin as compared to the Chopin Etudes.

Here are a few links to really good children of a similar age playing the Chopin Etudes at full tempo.

Haochen Zhang
(already posted by pianoloverus)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Nr_yuneFQ

George Li
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHzZDdhQSnk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlUiYUOuwKg

Jordan Adams
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4td_Zn6G3U&playnext=1&list=PLFA89444843987CF3&index=16

Anna Larsen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfUBNCUoakw

Now that is really good.

Do they have Psychologists in Turkey? I don't know about us being called a bunch of racists on someone's 4th post.


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I don't want to hear any comment who plays Chopin Polonaise like this.
Sorry, but you are very poor about understanding world - especially music- even than me. (So I am poor in English too).

In Poland and France, you get at least two years in prison for insulting to Chopin. (This is a joke).

My dear friend who told you to compare a new started musician with the others who started playing the piano at the age of 3.
Does the music mean only contest?
So,what does "similar age" means?
Even a month is very important in the development of such children. I think everyone -except you- in this forum knows this reality.
George Li.. probably your best example. Yes he is very very good. I hope he will be better in the future. But he is exactly 6 years older than this girl and his videos has been recorded 3 years ago.
Even if it is not like that what does it matter?
Give a simple answer to a question or keep silent



And my dear friend who told you that I am the Psychologists of this girl?
Do not hate the people my friend and please don't play Chopin because Chopin will hate you.

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And a last question?
Is it ok when she plays Chopin Etude at full Tempo when she is 9,5 or 10 years old?
Is that the criteria in music?

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Originally Posted by simgekivilcim
And a last question?
Is it ok when she plays Chopin Etude at full Tempo when she is 9,5 or 10 years old?
Is that the criteria in music?


It shouldn't be the criterion, but it does tend to impress the impressionable.

I don't think most kids playing music, regardless of how talented, should be getting a lot of public exposure. They need to be working on getting a well-grounded musical education, rather than working on advanced virtuoso literature, which they can get to in good time.

There are inherent problems in the simple fact that a child is still growing, and the physical aspect of playing goes through some big changes as they mature. That poor child playing the Chopin "Winter Wind" etude, that was linked in another post, is going to have to totally relearn it when she is fully grown, because what she is doing now is not what she will need to be doing to play it as a mature person. I know, because I was "playing beyond my years" when I was a kid, and it became a huge problem to readjust everything when I reached full growth. And worse, at the time, neither I nor my teachers were smart enough about it to realize it was an issue.

The girl you have brought to our attention plays quite well for having had lessons for relatively little time, and for her age. It's obvious that she's musically inclined and has picked up the basics quickly, and is advancing. I am not sure what else you want to know.

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I'm actually quite uncertain to why this thread exists in either way! The girl plays quite well. That's almost a given. Is she recital material? Is she prodigy material? I'm not too sure nor I'd like it to be so, since I believe that prodigies get destroyed in the very harsh proccess of real life professionalism too early in life!

If she's enjoying it, she's fine! She's playing quite nicely! She'll be a fine pianist, perhaps more! It's too early to decide a career for her, anyways.

So let her keep playing the piano and that's about it: There's always going to be someone younger, playing better than her (and than everyone). And, apple, I hardly feel an amateur after all those videos. I rather feel very fine that I keep enjoying playing the piano and hope to be able to do that at a much later age! smile

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Originally Posted by TheSockPuppet
It depends what you mean by really good. Is she in the top 1% for her age? Maybe so. Is that really good?

She is poor compared to the best in the world for her age. Chopin Waltz in A flat and Waltz in C sharp minor are particularly easy Chopin as compared to the Chopin Etudes.

Here are a few links to really good children of a similar age playing the Chopin Etudes at full tempo.

Haochen Zhang
(already posted by pianoloverus)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Nr_yuneFQ

George Li
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHzZDdhQSnk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlUiYUOuwKg

Jordan Adams
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4td_Zn6G3U&playnext=1&list=PLFA89444843987CF3&index=16

Anna Larsen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfUBNCUoakw

Now that is really good.

Do they have Psychologists in Turkey? I don't know about us being called a bunch of racists on someone's 4th post.


Hey, stick a sock in your puppet! No one asked for comparisons. The only question that was asked was "is this kid really good", and the obvious answer is yes.



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Maybe it is a little harsh to say the girl plays poorly. I listened to the second video again. The girl seems to have a full mastery of that piece and plays it as well as anyone. You could say the playing is quite good, maybe even really good.

But really good has the connotation of the best, or most impressive you have ever heard. In that respect playing Chopin Waltzes does not compare with playing Chopin Etudes. Playing the Etudes is much much more difficult.

We can quibble about her exact age, years of training etc. but that is beside the point. The OP brought up her age in the first line. Maybe the girl will play the Chopin Etudes sometime soon. But until she does is hard to say she is really good compared to the other kids listed above.

It seems a Turkish psychologist education consist entirely of calling people racists and spew insults.

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Originally Posted by TheSockPuppet
But really good has the connotation of the best, or most impressive you have ever heard. In that respect playing Chopin Waltzes does not compare with playing Chopin Etudes. Playing the Etudes is much much more difficult.


By this logic, Rubinstein was an inferior pianist, having recorded the waltzes but not the etudes.


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I really like her playing, especially enjoyed the C# minor waltz. Good luck Eylul Esme in your piano studies, you look like you are enjoying it.


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cannot tell, this piece is too easy. She doesn't sound like anything extraordinary playing this after one year. I could bring bunch of kids playing like that. IMO by definition a kid cennot be good enough except the technicall ability. Kids have nothing to tell yet.

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This is silly for me to even say so, I mean she's a little kid, an obviously very talented little kid. I'd kill for her speed.. but I find 64/2 pretty mechanical, kind of hammering away in parts.

Re: Is this kid really good? ( Chopin waltz in A flat major ) [Re: delirious] #1567690
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Originally Posted by delirious
I could bring bunch of kids playing like that.


And all of them would be very good.

The accomplishments of others do not invalidate or detract from the accomplishments of oneself.

This girl in the original video is quite good. There are other children in the world who are also quite good. I don't see why people are making such a fuss about pointing that out. I could, with ease, post YouTube videos of pianists who are better than anybody here.

I would hope that the community here at PianoWorld would be quick to applaud the accomplishments of others.


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