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And a last question?
Is it ok when she plays Chopin Etude at full Tempo when she is 9,5 or 10 years old?
Is that the criteria in music?

It shouldn't be the criterion, but it does tend to impress the impressionable.

I don't think most kids playing music, regardless of how talented, should be getting a lot of public exposure. They need to be working on getting a well-grounded musical education, rather than working on advanced virtuoso literature, which they can get to in good time.

There are inherent problems in the simple fact that a child is still growing, and the physical aspect of playing goes through some big changes as they mature. That poor child playing the Chopin "Winter Wind" etude, that was linked in another post, is going to have to totally relearn it when she is fully grown, because what she is doing now is not what she will need to be doing to play it as a mature person. I know, because I was "playing beyond my years" when I was a kid, and it became a huge problem to readjust everything when I reached full growth. And worse, at the time, neither I nor my teachers were smart enough about it to realize it was an issue.

The girl you have brought to our attention plays quite well for having had lessons for relatively little time, and for her age. It's obvious that she's musically inclined and has picked up the basics quickly, and is advancing. I am not sure what else you want to know.

I'm actually quite uncertain to why this thread exists in either way! The girl plays quite well. That's almost a given. Is she recital material? Is she prodigy material? I'm not too sure nor I'd like it to be so, since I believe that prodigies get destroyed in the very harsh proccess of real life professionalism too early in life!

If she's enjoying it, she's fine! She's playing quite nicely! She'll be a fine pianist, perhaps more! It's too early to decide a career for her, anyways.

So let her keep playing the piano and that's about it: There's always going to be someone younger, playing better than her (and than everyone). And, apple, I hardly feel an amateur after all those videos. I rather feel very fine that I keep enjoying playing the piano and hope to be able to do that at a much later age!

Hey, stick a sock in your puppet! No one asked for comparisons. The only question that was asked was "is this kid really good", and the obvious answer is yes.

Maybe it is a little harsh to say the girl plays poorly. I listened to the second video again. The girl seems to have a full mastery of that piece and plays it as well as anyone. You could say the playing is quite good, maybe even really good.

But really good has the connotation of the best, or most impressive you have ever heard. In that respect playing Chopin Waltzes does not compare with playing Chopin Etudes. Playing the Etudes is much much more difficult.

We can quibble about her exact age, years of training etc. but that is beside the point. The OP brought up her age in the first line. Maybe the girl will play the Chopin Etudes sometime soon. But until she does is hard to say she is really good compared to the other kids listed above.

It seems a Turkish psychologist education consist entirely of calling people racists and spew insults.

By this logic, Rubinstein was an inferior pianist, having recorded the waltzes but not the etudes.

I really like her playing, especially enjoyed the C# minor waltz. Good luck Eylul Esme in your piano studies, you look like you are enjoying it.

cannot tell, this piece is too easy. She doesn't sound like anything extraordinary playing this after one year. I could bring bunch of kids playing like that. IMO by definition a kid cennot be good enough except the technicall ability. Kids have nothing to tell yet.

This is silly for me to even say so, I mean she's a little kid, an obviously very talented little kid. I'd kill for her speed.. but I find 64/2 pretty mechanical, kind of hammering away in parts.

And all of them would be very good.

The accomplishments of others do not invalidate or detract from the accomplishments of oneself.

This girl in the original video is quite good. There are other children in the world who are also quite good. I don't see why people are making such a fuss about pointing that out. I could, with ease, post YouTube videos of pianists who are better than anybody here.

I would hope that the community here at PianoWorld would be quick to applaud the accomplishments of others.

+1

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I agree and that's what I meant, what was the point of posting this video?

the internet is a cruel age when it comes to comparing yourself to others.

it's both good and bad. mostly good, you just have to get used to not being the absolute "best in the world". or maybe not "get used to"... more like knowing how to manage it.

but yeah, she's very good.

Great..I liked this perspective so much.

I think I would say

+1

to the above excerpt from stores' post, but no one has ever told me what +1 means!

Cheers!

This is the soul of the mediterranean.

+1000

Define "really good".


Is she a very good Chopinist?

heck no. I would not buy an album of her complete Chopin waltzes at the moment. It doesn't look like she understands what she's playing (which is certainly understandable for her age). If she improves (and she's clearly on that path), we'll see.


Is she a very good technician for her age and a very good example of a semi-child prodigy (even having the ability to play Chopin coherently after only a year of study)?

It certainly seems so.

"Is this kid really good?"

The title asks for and evaluation. And really good commonly means better than others. It is odd this must be defined so carfully. The OP's english seems good enough to understand these idioms despite being from Turkey. (They certainly know how to call people haters.)

There seems to be a PW rule you cannot make clear distinctions. You cannot say one piano is better than another. You must say they are all good, pick the one you like best. But this is both boring and misleading. There are clear distinctions which are of most interest to discuss.

I am not the ultimate authority on the definition of really good. I can only give examples of performances which I find jaw dropping and those I do not. Having attempted to play some of the pieces helps in that it gives one some idea of the skill level invovled. From this point of view, I find the performances I listed above to be jaw dropping and the Waltz performance more ordinary.