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My Sonata repertoire includes
1) Complete Moonlight
2) Incomplete Pathetique (Working on 3rd movement)
I want to start a third beethoven sonata, as I have just finished some Baroque pieces and would like to balance out the repertoire.
Is appassionata harder than both the Moonlight and Pathetique?
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Yes quite a bit in my opinion lol
Challenge is always good though!
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Do you mean technically or musically? I found the Appassionata technically easier than the Waldstein (but I guess that's not a good comparison for you unless you've played the waldstein) and the 3Mov the Appassionata is certainly less technically challenging than the 3M of the Moonlight. The Appassionata is technically a huge step up from the Pathetique. On the musical side of things, the appassionata needs some work to keep it fresh and inventive because the piece deals with the same themes over and over again and it's been heard so many times. I'd suggest the Waldstein instead, but it's your decision.  ~ Milana
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how do you feel about the Tempest?
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Tempest is nice. How about Op. 22? I always push that one on people, because it's under-appreciated and (although I'm usually scared to admit this) it very well could be my favorite of the lot.
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More difficult than the "Moonlight" and "Pathetique"? Ummm, just a wee bit. Why doesn't anyone ever suggest the Op. 14 sonatas? Such beautiful music and they're so overlooked. Beethoven, even arranged No. 1 for string quartet. The Op. 10 sonatas are excellent choices as well. Op. 26 is another oft overlooked gem and you could always have yourself all of Op. 27 if you so choose. Orrrr you could go with 31/3, which I happen to really love.
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The ones I'd suggest are:
Op. 2/1
Op. 10/1
Op. 10/2
Op. 14/1
Op. 90
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More difficult than the "Moonlight" and "Pathetique"? Ummm, just a wee bit. Why doesn't anyone ever suggest the Op. 14 sonatas? Such beautiful music and they're so overlooked. Beethoven, even arranged No. 1 for string quartet. The Op. 10 sonatas are excellent choices as well. Op. 26 is another oft overlooked gem and you could always have yourself all of Op. 27 if you so choose. Orrrr you could go with 31/3, which I happen to really love. Even you don't recommend the Op. 22??  Didn't Beethoven himself really like that one?
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More difficult than the "Moonlight" and "Pathetique"? Ummm, just a wee bit. Why doesn't anyone ever suggest the Op. 14 sonatas? Such beautiful music and they're so overlooked. Beethoven, even arranged No. 1 for string quartet. The Op. 10 sonatas are excellent choices as well. Op. 26 is another oft overlooked gem and you could always have yourself all of Op. 27 if you so choose. Orrrr you could go with 31/3, which I happen to really love. Even you don't recommend the Op. 22?? Didn't Beethoven himself really like that one? Well it actually DID cross my mind as I clicked the "submit" button, but then you'd already suggested it so... Yes, Beethoven, was quite please with his work on Op. 22 and rightly so.
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....the 3Mov the Appassionata is certainly less technically challenging than the 3M of the Moonlight... You really think so? That surprises me a lot. I can easily play the 3M of the Moonlight, but I have several weaknesses in the 3M of the Appassionata. Are you sure you didn't mean that the other way around? I'd go with the Waldstein or the Tempest as the next one to learn. Very enjoyable and engaging pieces to play.
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My Sonata repertoire includes
1) Complete Moonlight
2) Incomplete Pathetique (Working on 3rd movement)
I want to start a third beethoven sonata, as I have just finished some Baroque pieces and would like to balance out the repertoire.
Is appassionata harder than both the Moonlight and Pathetique? Why not go for Les Adieux! One of my favourites! But I think anyone with the discipline to complete both the Moonlight and the Pathetique will be more than capable of the Appassionata; afterall, it's just a matter of practise, practise, practise, practise....
All theory, dear friend, is grey, but the golden tree of life springs ever green.
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Why always go for the most hellish difficulties? Why not honour the lyric qualities of Ludwig, op.78/90 wouldn't blemish any repertoire.
Longtemps, je me suis couché de bonne heure, but not anymore!
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You really think so? That surprises me a lot. I can easily play the 3M of the Moonlight, but I have several weaknesses in the 3M of the Appassionata. Are you sure you didn't mean that the other way around?
Nope:) I have very small hands (an octave is about all I reach) and those crazy trills and weird arpeggios in the moonlight are really a struggle for me in the moonlight but the appassionata fits my hand like a glove!
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