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#1564937 11/27/10 03:07 AM
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It's outdated. It's really ugly to twelve tone music. It's not nice. I don't agree a single word the video speaks of.

Still it's hillarious. If we can't have humour we might as well die:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LACCAF04wSs&

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I thought the video was hilarious, but I still love twelve tone music. I saw a royal opera production of Lulu once and it was ultra-awesome.

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Me too! I love contemporary music in general, which includes twelve tone music, but still the video is huge fun! laugh (LULU is also stunning, btw ;))

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Hehe, twelve tone music is hardly contemporary :P.

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In the general mind it remains as such! wink

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Scriabin is contemporary in certain peoples minds, doesn't mean they're not ignorant lol. Contemporary music is music by contemporary composers. Twelve tone music is early 20th century. :P

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so, say... can you define if the music by Schnittke, Ligeti, Messiaen, Boulez and... Zimmer is contemporary or not? Just wondering why you keep at it, that's all! laugh

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Well its not the most helpful of categorisations really. Contemporary composers write in a huge variety of musical styles, occasionally involving serialism.

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Funny!

It could have been worse - they could have divided the octave into even more increments.


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Originally Posted by Dave Horne
Funny!

It could have been worse - they could have divided the octave into even more increments.


Funny you should say that. When I was doing my composition studies, we spent a year on atonal music, pitch-sets and 12-tone serial composition techniques and I got to the point where in several pieces I composed, I was actually frustrated that there weren't more tones to work with! I even played around with microtonal alterations but it became hideously complex and I was told that since not enough instruments could play these notes, I had to go back to the good old 12-tone system.

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An interesting example of how romantic serial music can sound very romantic:

Berg piano sonata played by Sura Cherkassky

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Originally Posted by John_B
An interesting example of how romantic serial music can sound very romantic:

Berg piano sonata played by Sura Cherkassky


The Berg Sonata is a wonderful piece, certainly, but not a very good example for your point because it's not serial, it's not even atonal. It's tonal, in b minor, although only barely so.

A better example would be Berg's great violin concerto, which is serial.


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Point taken smile

Yes, the Berg Violin Concerto is a wonderful and deeply moving piece.

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There is a serial piece that uses more than 12 incraments, I can't remember what it is though.


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