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#155830 - 10/12/07 01:29 PM Young Chang U121 vs Yamaha M450  
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Hi everyone,

I have been looking for a couple of months now for a decent acoustic replacement for my current Yamaha Digital. My budget is a bit limited (less than $3000), but since the store I am buying from will give me the full purchase price of this piano as trade in for whatever I decide to upgrade to in a couple years, I am not concerned that this will have to be a "forever" piano.

Currently I am the only player in my house. I played quite a bit through my childhood, but dropped off during college. I am starting to pick it up again, and would also like to start to introduce my boys (1yr and 3yr) to the piano soon.

Basically the two pianos that I am looking at are:

Yamaha M450 - One year old, nice sound, perfect cosmetically, nice touch.

Young Chang U121 - Definitely an older piano (don't know exact age), but has great sound and at 48" is a bigger piano than the Yamaha. The touch is a little light, but I don't know if that is a problem or not.

Both pianos are about the same price, well within the budget. Anyone have any opinions on either?

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#155831 - 10/12/07 02:25 PM Re: Young Chang U121 vs Yamaha M450  
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M450 was built in Thomaston, GA. Decent piano.

U121 is ok, but concern would be actual age and condition. Some early Korean pianos kind of hit the wall at 15-20 years of age with normal family use. The Young Chang company from that era has gone. The newly reconstituted Young Change backed by Hyundai is current. Don't know if the new incarnation will support older products with parts and technical.

Check out the new Cable Nelson (Yamaha) CN116 model. Good street price would be $3200 plus tax and delivery. If you can push your budget just that far you will get a great performance value.


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#155832 - 10/12/07 02:50 PM Re: Young Chang U121 vs Yamaha M450  
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Thank you, that is exactly the kind of info that I was looking for. The Young Chang to me sounds better than the M450, but the age did concern me a bit.

Thanks for the tip on the CN116, I will make sure to ask about that one.

#155833 - 11/13/07 05:40 PM Re: Young Chang U121 vs Yamaha M450  
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I have a young chang studio piano U121. We are inheriting a steinway grand. Any thoughts on how to price my young chang? It has 3 notes in the lowest octave with a slight "tin" sound but my tuner took apart the piano and cannot find any problems. He says it may be weather related?? It otherwise has a fabulous touch. My husband and I have played for years and love it. Would love any advice.

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#155834 - 11/13/07 06:04 PM Re: Young Chang U121 vs Yamaha M450  
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I'd lean toward the YC, if it is in good shape.

The M450 was the most stripped down of Yamaha's production. No backposts and a relatively thin plate.

While I generally think Japanese-made Yamahas to be a bit better than most Korean production, the USA Yammies were not that good.


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#155835 - 11/13/07 06:23 PM Re: Young Chang U121 vs Yamaha M450  
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Steve,
The M450 has backposts.I'm looking at them right now.

ggergg,
what Craigen said.

If the price is right, take the 450.


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#155836 - 11/13/07 06:28 PM Re: Young Chang U121 vs Yamaha M450  
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Steve,
The M450 has backposts.I'm looking at them right now.

ggergg,
what Craigen said.

If the price is right, take the 450.
I stand corrected. Thanks.

[They weren't there a few years ago!]

I still like the YC 48" upright better than American-made Yammies.


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#155837 - 11/14/07 05:04 PM Re: Young Chang U121 vs Yamaha M450  
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I'll have to side with Steve on this one. The YC is a better piano than the M450. It's taller and frankly, all of the used M400 series Yammies we've gotten in trade sounded very poor after 5-10 years of use. The YC 121's that we get in trade play very well and sound pretty nice (not too bright as opposed to the Yammies).

Just me $.02.


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#155838 - 11/14/07 05:24 PM Re: Young Chang U121 vs Yamaha M450  
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I figured since this thread got resurrected recently I should update everyone on my decision. In the end I ended up going with the Young Chang. I just didn't like the size or sound of the Yamaha (obviously would have liked to go with a U1 if money weren't an issue). After having a technician go over it and give it a nice voicing (middle range of the keyboard was pretty bright) I have to say that I am very happy with my choice. The sound is great, the touch is wonderful and it happens to look great in my living room!

#155839 - 11/14/07 05:40 PM Re: Young Chang U121 vs Yamaha M450  
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I've sold both, Have a tech check out the Chang, The Yam will fetch a better resale value. Either one is good for your application. Shame on you Stevo, "stripped down" The 450 from Thomaston was written up in the trades a few years ago as; "The Rolls Royce of starter pianos."


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#155840 - 11/28/07 01:10 PM Re: Young Chang U121 vs Yamaha M450  
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I'd go for the Yamaha, the Chang has questionable build quality, especially if it's older. My friend has had a lot of problems with her Young Chang (especially with it holding its tune and a sluggish action).

#155841 - 11/28/07 05:42 PM Re: Young Chang U121 vs Yamaha M450  
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The coils on your bass strings are loose.Surprised your tuner didn't know.Have your tech turn them or pound them,temporary remedy as opposed to changing them.


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