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#1556194 - 11/12/10 12:43 PM Fazioli F212 Vs. Bechstein B212???  
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Hello everyone! I have a few questions that I need some help with. I have been to C. Bechstein in NYC before and have played their D282 concert grand which was very nice. I am making a choice between a Fazioli F212 (satin or polished ebony for $120,600.00 no tax free shipping),or a C. Bechstein B212 (satin or polished ebony for $120,900.00 no tax free shipping). The only thing is,is that I have not played either of these models so I can't say which one is better. Please,please don't even say that it's whichever one you like better;that's fine,belive me I know it! But I'm not going to be able to be there...I would most likely be sending a money order for the piano and would then have it shipped to myself here in Maine. I wouldn't be able to be there because of medical issues at this point. So it's baisicly up to you to pick my piano. But really,who would be dissapointed with either!!!!!! laugh...Please don't say this or this would be better because of what it looks like;that matters nothing to me at all...For instance,out of both the pianos,which one has the lightest action??? Which one is better quality??? Is Fazioli good,or is that all hype like Steinway & Sons??? Please help me out with this,and remember,I don't care about the 18k gold plated hardware that Fazioli has on their pianos; I care about the lightest action,and the best quality....And remember,it doesn't take money to be a snob,it takes nothing but pride. I can't stand all of these selfish pride-filled,people out there that only care about themselves mad mad mad mad mad mad mad mad mad mad mad mad mad mad mad mad mad mad mad mad mad mad mad mad mad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!......

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#1556202 - 11/12/10 01:01 PM Re: Fazioli F212 Vs. Bechstein B212??? [Re: KB7]  
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If you do not care enough to try the pianos, swallow your pride and vanity, buy a much cheaper piano locally, and donate the rest of the money to the charity of your choice.


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#1556210 - 11/12/10 01:20 PM Re: Fazioli F212 Vs. Bechstein B212??? [Re: KB7]  
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Are you buying a house or a piano?

#1556214 - 11/12/10 01:25 PM Re: Fazioli F212 Vs. Bechstein B212??? [Re: KB7]  
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Listen folks! It's just a piece of wood and strings...(and there are some that are better quality)...Sorry if I offended your god.

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#1556216 - 11/12/10 01:26 PM Re: Fazioli F212 Vs. Bechstein B212??? [Re: KB7]  
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I will give my money where and to whom Jesus Christ directs to...I won't give it away haphazardly!

#1556222 - 11/12/10 01:35 PM Re: Fazioli F212 Vs. Bechstein B212??? [Re: KB7]  
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KB7, I sent you a private message about our shopping experience. Most of what I wrote doesn't need to be private, but I included the price we paid, which I did want to be private. I hope that it might be helpful to you.

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#1556223 - 11/12/10 01:35 PM Re: Fazioli F212 Vs. Bechstein B212??? [Re: KB7]  
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Then Jesus Christ should decide which piano you should buy.


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#1556226 - 11/12/10 01:39 PM Re: Fazioli F212 Vs. Bechstein B212??? [Re: KB7]  
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There's a three year old Bluthner 7'8" Model 2 on Pianomart for 50K. Send a tech to check it out and save a lot of $.

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#1556230 - 11/12/10 01:46 PM Re: Fazioli F212 Vs. Bechstein B212??? [Re: KB7]  
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Haha, Rich thought of that Bluthner before I had chance to write about it. Yes that could be one heck of a great deal.

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#1556250 - 11/12/10 02:09 PM Re: Fazioli F212 Vs. Bechstein B212??? [Re: KB7]  
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If you care about the "lightest action and the best quality" then I would go with the Fazioli. I think it has the Bechstein beat in both departments. This however doesn't address the issue of tone which, to me, deserves equal or greater consideration over action and build quality.



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#1556256 - 11/12/10 02:16 PM Re: Fazioli F212 Vs. Bechstein B212??? [Re: KB7]  
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Oh to be in such a wonderful position! You must really enjoy playing, play very well or inspire to.

May I ask why you might be leaving out a NY or Hamburg Steinway? or Steingraeber? Mason Hamlin CC? A Bosie?

Experiencing them and their differences on CD recordings might be your next best pursuit. If you know not, we can recommend some good recordings of each of the brands (there was a thread or two on that on PW).

And then finding a dealer which to totally trust to prep the piano in manner you wish. All that and then finding a tech locally or that will travel to your home to tweak the piano of your choice.

It does no good for those of us who have played Fazioli or C Bech pianos that are not concert grands to give opinions. The concert grands seems to be in a world all their own and sometimes seem to be barely attached to their home partners.

I have played many brands of concert grands and would delight to be trying to decided which to purchase which is why I say, 'lucky you'! Piano A for this music or mood. Piano B for that. Piano C for all? I doubt if I could find Piano C.

Perhaps you need someone to fly all around and help with your choice? I know I'd both love and hate to be the one to choose YOUR piano!!!


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#1556263 - 11/12/10 02:32 PM Re: Fazioli F212 Vs. Bechstein B212??? [Re: KB7]  
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Choose the bigger one.

#1556267 - 11/12/10 02:36 PM Re: Fazioli F212 Vs. Bechstein B212??? [Re: KB7]  
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Assuming the OP is a serious one:

Read the Piano Buyer(link in left hand column about pricing). The prices you mentioned are way too high.

If you cannot play the pianos, I would hire a tech to take a look at them and give you a comparison in any area you want.

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#1556317 - 11/12/10 04:00 PM Re: Fazioli F212 Vs. Bechstein B212??? [Re: KB7]  
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It doesn't matter which one you buy. Since you have not played either, you don't know which one is really best for you. So, whichever one you get, that IS the better one. Period. End of story.

Here's a thought- buy the cheaper one and donate the difference to your favorite charity.

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#1556327 - 11/12/10 04:18 PM Re: Fazioli F212 Vs. Bechstein B212??? [Re: KB7]  
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Both of those are crap. I would just buy this:
http://www.pianoworld.com/fun/expensive.htm


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#1556340 - 11/12/10 04:36 PM Re: Fazioli F212 Vs. Bechstein B212??? [Re: KB7]  
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Both are very fine pianos. In your scenario, since you have played the Bechstein D282 and like it, I would probably choose the Bechstein. A good local tech will be able to handle any minor issues.








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Originally Posted by fingers
Since you have not played either, you don't know which one is really best for you.
The OP gave several criteria that were important to him, so why does he have to play them to know which is best for her? If, for example, one of the two pianos had a much lighter action than the other, the choice would be obvious.

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#1556439 - 11/12/10 06:47 PM Re: Fazioli F212 Vs. Bechstein B212??? [Re: KB7]  
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Though I don't understand the circumstances affecting this purchase, I feel that the purchase of a piano over 100k almost necessitates a personal visit.

I would never feel comfortable making such a large purchase sight-unseen.

Of course, to answer the OP's question, I would probably pick the Bechstein. Both because I love its sound, and because you have already played one and liked it. From what I hear about Fazioli (unfortunately have never played one), its sound doesn't exactly please everyone.

#1556468 - 11/12/10 07:17 PM Re: Fazioli F212 Vs. Bechstein B212??? [Re: KB7]  
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Faziolis definitely have the lightest and smoothest action.


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#1556472 - 11/12/10 07:20 PM Re: Fazioli F212 Vs. Bechstein B212??? [Re: KB7]  
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i'm surprised there's not a 900 number along with the promise to ship the winning piano to nigeria.

#1556491 - 11/12/10 08:04 PM Re: Fazioli F212 Vs. Bechstein B212??? [Re: KB7]  
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You are fortunate to have such disposable income.
Makes me wonder why you don't do some travel to play them both.
You'll know in an instant what is best.
Nothing others say regarding their choices ought to matter.

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I too lean toward the Bechstein, only because you have played it and liked it. While the Fazioli is every bit as good, it has a different tonality and touch. You may or may not like it, so why not go with the sure thing.



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#1556506 - 11/12/10 08:50 PM Re: Fazioli F212 Vs. Bechstein B212??? [Re: Entheo]  
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Originally Posted by Entheo
i'm surprised there's not a 900 number along with the promise to ship the winning piano to nigeria.

LOL!

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I think the Fazioli should get the guernsey here!


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I think KB7 is pulling our collective leg here.
If you have that much money to pay $120,900 for either piano without having ever seen it, without negotiating the price down to the street price of $100,000 or less, then you clearly have too much money. You should go ahead and buy both and spare yourself this tough decision.


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Originally Posted by jazzyprof
I think KB7 is pulling our collective leg here.
If you have that much money to pay $120,900 for either piano without having ever seen it, without negotiating the price down to the street price of $100,000 or less, then you clearly have too much money. You should go ahead and buy both and spare yourself this tough decision.


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#1556885 - 11/13/10 03:00 PM Re: Fazioli F212 Vs. Bechstein B212??? [Re: liszt85]  
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Originally Posted by liszt85
Originally Posted by jazzyprof
I think KB7 is pulling our collective leg here.
If you have that much money to pay $120,900 for either piano without having ever seen it, without negotiating the price down to the street price of $100,000 or less, then you clearly have too much money. You should go ahead and buy both and spare yourself this tough decision.


+1


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Originally Posted by jazzyprof
I think KB7 is pulling our collective leg here.
If you have that much money to pay $120,900 for either piano without having ever seen it, without negotiating the price down to the street price of $100,000 or less, then you clearly have too much money. You should go ahead and buy both and spare yourself this tough decision.


I so hate to be duped when giving an honest answer. Makes me not want to respond to those that ARE honest, just in case.

If this is the case here, are you now pleased to pull such a prank?

If not, how about some more info for us?


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Originally Posted by lilylady
Originally Posted by jazzyprof
I think KB7 is pulling our collective leg here.
If you have that much money to pay $120,900 for either piano without having ever seen it, without negotiating the price down to the street price of $100,000 or less, then you clearly have too much money. You should go ahead and buy both and spare yourself this tough decision.


I so hate to be duped when giving an honest answer. Makes me not want to respond to those that ARE honest, just in case.

If this is the case here, are you now pleased to pull such a prank?

If not, how about some more info for us?


From the OP's posts on other threads we've learned that he bought a 2007 Yamaha P22 for $800 - then sold it and bought a 1970 Steinway 1098 for $400 - which he currently owns. He encourages us to "read the ads" to find the good deals. While his interest in high end pianos may be sincere (he's asked about them in other threads), I question the basic premise of this particular thread.


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