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UX1 vs UX3? #155509
12/27/07 04:01 PM
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Hi,

I've found the following pianos and was wondering if anyone has any thoughts on which might be best? Or whether I should stick with a used U1/U3 that is not grey market? They all come with a 5 year parts & labor warranty and free first in home tuning.

UX1 4184887 $4850
UX3 4064660 $5890
UX3 4197842 $5915
UX3 4293792 $5998

They feel & sound wonderful to me, but I have no real experience playing. (As I mentioned in an earlier post, I took lessons as a child and want to get a good upright for my children to start lessons and for me to pick back up!)

I thought I'd ask here if they're worth pursuing before asking an rpt to check them out. The felt (?)on the hammers is noticeably grooved. The salesman/tuner insists that they're fine and that he wouldn't do anything to them, but I don't know how much is too much groove.

Any thoughts would be much appreciated!
Thanks,
yvonne

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Re: UX1 vs UX3? #155510
12/27/07 05:14 PM
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Another question.... One of the UX3's is available to rent ($85/month) with up to the first 12 months counting toward the purchase price.

Is there any reason a store would choose one particular piano over another, of the same brand & model, to rent?

Thanks,
yvonne

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A piano a week old will have groves on the hammers. I know alot of Jazz players that would love a piano with too much groove though
me thinks that it is usually the player. All sound like great candidates for potential purchase. In the gray market the age and serial #
play the predominant role as for PRICE from the wholesalers. In that most of them don't really play you may find one older than the others that is a better piano milage,cond.and sound wise. If they are in the same store,ask the tech to pick the best one.


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All four of these check out to be in fact Gray Market, as in NOT being made for the US market.
These pianoo range from 20-22 years old. Prices seem 10-15% high IMO. Many of these pianos come from years of hard institutional use.


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The first price you hear is not necessarily the final price. I think that you already know about that re new pianos. It's also true with used ones.

When buying used, it's condition, condition, and condition. Tone is a difficult category, because your tech and you may have different preferences. Your tech can, however, tell you if a piano's strings and hammers are near the end of their musical life. The tech can also assess the state of its regulation.

The gurarantee covers things which break, not things which do not perform optimally.

There are shops in Japan which specialize in refurbishing these instruments for export. They all look good. Your tech can examine them closely, to check for such things as rust on the strings and excessive filing of hammers.

These pianos come in by the container load all the time, so there will be plenty more where these are coming from.

Patience and persistence.

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Thank you, PianoBroker. I won't worry about the grooves then. All three are in the same store, so having a tech pick the best of the three would work.

Thanks, Marty. Yeah, I imagine that they would come from institutional use. I specifically asked the salesman if they came from music schools or anything similar, & he said that they only get their used Yamaha pianos from private owners in "the north of Japan," whatever that means. It's hard not to be a little suspicious of a salesman, though.

And thank you, FogvilleLad, for the reminder about these not being the only pianos in the sea!

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Re: UX1 vs UX3? #155516
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You can't go wrong with any of the two K-3 or U-1 IMO in terms of touch and tonal quality Kawai offers more to the experienced player.
The K-3 like any other piano will brighten-up and settle nicely. Keep that in mind the piano will change over time.
Your prices are good... so go for! thumb


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