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I don't think so, because it just about can't be true.

At least not as anything like a blanket principle.
Until it's someplace where we can look at it and see if it adds to what we already know and can imagine, the idea that "Chopin insisted his students learned without applying pedal (it would be added later)...." remains implausible.

I can imagine that sometimes, for some students, for some pieces....he might have said that. (Most teachers do.) But as any kind of uniform or common principle, be very skeptical about it -- and, IMO, don't be presenting it as a truth.

If you don't want to give credence to Streicher's observations (Mikuli did) then you're the poorer for it. Here's her descendant:

But please do assume I'm 'skrewing' with you if you like, I care?

All I said is we need to see it before we decide that it adds to what we know or can imagine.

Perhaps there will be a Joyce Hatto CD bundled with the book when it comes out?

I'm sure there'll be plenty of posters who are happy to accept that I read the passage with my own eyes. They may even be pleased I've shared something with them which may never otherwise have seen the light of day, but then perhaps you have your own evidence on Chopin's teaching in regard to pedaling you could share with us?

You keep arguing against things that nobody said or thought.

Even I accept that you read it, but I would never assume that what someone made of something like this is what I or anyone else should make of it, especially since it seems to go against our basic sense of Chopin and his music (as it does). We need to see it, and judge what we might make of it. And yes indeed, I tend to think that what I would make of it is very different than what you did, and that I might feel you simply misunderstood it.

Who is this 'we'? Is that your 'folks' again? Or the Royal We?

Anyway, enough of all this - back to the OP. To recap: Considering that Chopin was a real Bachophile I think his view of how the pedal is used is relevant. If you study his early manuscripts and first editions you'll see he principally saw it as a loud pedal. In that sense I would have thought he'd use it in appropriate passages in Bach. Maybe the nay-sayers would like to support their own views on the topic with some evidence?

We want to know if Keyboardklutz is snobbyish or snobish ... and with a link to back it up.



Speaking for us, what Klutz has said fits very well with our basic sense of Chopin.

To me it is clear that Klutz has been around some people who represent one of the lines of descent from Chopin.

EDIT:

To us it is clear that Klutz has been around some people who represent one of the lines of descent from Chopin.

How does that affect what I said in my last post? (which is what you were replying to)

Just remembered another Streicher quote - Chopin said that he'd have to blot out the page with ink if he was to put the full directions for a piece on it.

So that lazy bum just left us guessing!

Probably saving paper!

Chopin was an environmentalist, I'm learning something new every day !

Yeh, I'm sure I could come up with a Streicher quote for that too. There are hundreds of letters home!