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Re: Yamaha P85 vs. P95 [Re: achat] #1550657
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Power referred to a speaker is usally the power the speaker is able to handle. And it is measurable.


So it is definitely inappropriate to say that a speaker that can *handle* more power is "more powerful."


but if saying "more powerful" the German video would mean "capable to handle more power" this could actually be measured.
if it is saying "better" this cannot be measured.

A.


He did not say "powerful" or "can handle more power", but "improved" and "fuller sound", whatever that means exactly. (And he probably wouldn't mention the speakers at all if there was really no change.)

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Re: Yamaha P85 vs. P95 [Re: Martin C. Doege] #1550673
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Originally Posted by Martin C. Doege

He did not say "powerful" or "can handle more power", but "improved" and "fuller sound", whatever that means exactly. (And he probably wouldn't mention the speakers at all if there was really no change.)


I play my P85 mainly with headphones, and my unit probably has a little defect (string-like echo in the background) in the piano sounds (see my first post here on PWF, that I will find the time to make it fixed by Yamaha assistance sooner or later).

Anyway the few times I play by speakers I feel the sound a bit "closed" inside the unit. Adding both reverberation and high volume (say over 0.7 in a scale 0 to 1) solve the problem.

So it could be with the "new" speakers in the P95 Yamaha has tried to fix this. Despite it could be what I ear as a "defect" or "limit" of the P85 it is actually due to my subjective taste and has nothing to do with real inefficiency of the P85 speakers.

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Re: Yamaha P85 vs. P95 [Re: achat] #1550686
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Originally Posted by ashat

Anyway the few times I play by speakers I feel the sound a bit "closed" inside the unit. Adding both reverberation and high volume (say over 0.7 in a scale 0 to 1) solve the problem.


Funny, I think it sounds better over speakers without reverb, using the natural reverberation of the room only like a real piano. De gustibus non est disputandum I suppose...

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Re: Yamaha P85 vs. P95 [Re: Martin C. Doege] #1550731
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Originally Posted by Martin C. Doege
Funny, I think it sounds better over speakers without reverb, using the natural reverberation of the room only like a real piano.

That's exactly how I feel about the P95. It is one of the annoyances about it. Every time I turn it on, I have to hit Metronome-F to turn off the darn reverb. I wish there were some way to save that.

Re: Yamaha P85 vs. P95 [Re: anotherscott] #1550757
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Originally Posted by anotherscott
Originally Posted by Martin C. Doege
Funny, I think it sounds better over speakers without reverb, using the natural reverberation of the room only like a real piano.

That's exactly how I feel about the P95. It is one of the annoyances about it. Every time I turn it on, I have to hit Metronome-F to turn off the darn reverb. I wish there were some way to save that.


The P-85/95 is simply too good, so they have to artificially put in some minor annoyances to upsell people to the P-155 or CP33. Software vendors work like this all the time. I don't think it's a technical limitation because the touch sensitivity level (and perhaps some other settings) do survive a power cycle.

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Re: Yamaha P85 vs. P95 [Re: anotherscott] #1550953
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I'm happy with my p-85, I had to buy it based on my money and the internetz lolz one day I will upgrade to a roland! @_@

Re: Yamaha P85 vs. P95 [Re: DóRéMi] #1551103
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With close to 70 posts in this thread- its a testament to what a great series the P85/P95 are. After 8 days, I am still pretty thrilled with it. The Rhodes has the dynamic stereo samples while the acoustic of course has just 1. However, on the YDP140 I had a somewhat difficult time discerning between the 3 layers, but I was honestly trying to rationalize not getting it due to the fact that I am moving within a year and figure I can get a console later.

Do you need to hit Metromnome-F to take off the effects everytime you start it? I thought it defaulted to no effect as opposed to your last setting

I do not find the Jazz organ to be as exciting as one in my motif, but it is fun to blend with the piano once in awhile


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Re: Yamaha P85 vs. P95 [Re: PossumES8Krome61] #1551109
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Originally Posted by HowardK

Do you need to hit Metromnome-F to take off the effects everytime you start it?


Metro-F put to zero the default reverb effect, which I am not able to say which kind and level is, but it is actually present at each start up.

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I thought it defaulted to no effect as opposed to your last setting
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the default it is actually "a bit of reverb". You can check on the manual. I didn't realize it until I was trying to eliminate my annoying background string-like echo, and discover that puttin the reverb to zero does actually eliminate the problem from every voice but not from the pianos (argh!!)

A.

Re: Yamaha P85 vs. P95 [Re: dewster] #1551800
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I tried a P155 next to a P95 and liked the sound and feel of the P95 better, at half the price. May not have helped that the P155 had a strange tuning issue... every G# was noticeably flat!

Re: Yamaha P85 vs. P95 [Re: Musicfix] #1551812
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Originally Posted by Musicfix
I tried a P155 next to a P95 and liked the sound and feel of the P95 better, at half the price. May not have helped that the P155 had a strange tuning issue... every G# was noticeably flat!


This worries me a little as I was thinking about buying one!

Re: Yamaha P85 vs. P95 [Re: Musicfix] #1551946
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Originally Posted by Musicfix
I tried a P155 next to a P95 and liked the sound and feel of the P95 better, at half the price. May not have helped that the P155 had a strange tuning issue... every G# was noticeably flat!


I went to look at them when deciding with 2 friends to get their opinion. It is all subjective, but I had the same thought you had-
for half the money I was happier with the P95, I do find it more mellow which is to my taste. Also, 26 pounds versus 41 was better for me


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Re: Yamaha P85 vs. P95 [Re: achat] #1555720
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Originally Posted by ashat
Originally Posted by anotherscott

I think it is more likely he is making a properly worded qualitative statement to describe what he perceives as an actual benefit,


which does not refer to a concrete difference so it is just a subjective evaluation.

Originally Posted by anotherscott

Semantics aside, the real question is whether or not the speakers are actually truly different in any respect, that's what really matters here, and that is what we have not yet determined for certain.


and you should even consider that "different" does not necessarily implies "better"...


Of course different isn't always better. But it's still different, and my whole point in this thread was to say that people shouldn't say they sound and feel the same unless they actually know.

Anyway, I did get a response from Yamaha, saying that the part numbers for the speakers for the P85 and P95 are indeed different. He also said that the speakers in the P95 have "increased sound output."

That is consistent with the German youtube comment, and could be why the one poster here who compared them thought the P95 sounded better... however, that would only indicate a difference when using the internal speakers. Whether or not there is any sonic difference when listening through headphones or external amplification remains an open question.

Re: Yamaha P85 vs. P95 [Re: anotherscott] #1557908
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Thanks to anotherscott (thanks!) the P-95 just ran the DPBSD gauntlet - Link.

Long story short, the main piano voice in both is identical.

Re: Yamaha P85 vs. P95 [Re: anotherscott] #1558810
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how do you clean the p-85?

Re: Yamaha P85 vs. P95 [Re: DóRéMi] #1572435
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I have an X stand and one simple quesion. If i buy a Yamaha P85, will it fall off?

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Re: Yamaha P85 vs. P95 [Re: Ovidiu M] #1572503
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Originally Posted by Ovidiu M
I have an X stand and one simple quesion. If i buy a Yamaha P85, will it fall off?


I have a P85 on a double X stand and it is firmly on it.
Just make sure the arms of the X stand aren't larger (from left to right) sitting in front of the keyboard, of 85cm. (The fact is exactly 85 cm is purely random smile.

This garantees the bottom of the p85 will land on the stand where it has the orizzontal central bar, and NOT where there are the V-shape bottom speakers.

[Edit] I forgot to mention that I have put around the arms some tape of the one we use here in italy to fix old windows letting pass too much cold air (I don't know the name in english, sorry :)). Otherwise it may slide off.

A.


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Re: Yamaha P85 vs. P95 [Re: anotherscott] #1572690
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ever try velcro?


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Re: Yamaha P85 vs. P95 [Re: daviel] #1572826
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Originally Posted by daviel
ever try velcro?


uhm the points of contact of the rounded arms of the X stand with the P85 are very small, the P85 is not flat in the bottom.

so I don't think velcro could work, but I didn't try.

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