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shilly-shallying between YDP161, CLP330 and kawai CA63... #1544085
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Hi,
I need a digital piano for my living room and I have narrowed down those two models. Main thing I'm after is good looking,
acoustic like cabinet and of course great piano sound. Other sounds not important. My question is what do you think about
piano action GH on YDP versus GF3 on CLP. Is the difference noticeable under fingers? I might add I have RD700GX so I got use to good action and feel. CLP330 is bigger and looks better but also costs almost twice as YDP161, is it worthy? Besides that GH3 keybed not much difference inside.

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Re: shilly-shallying between YDP161 and CLP330 [Re: motif] #1544105
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Where are you located?

In some areas (incl. North America) the price of a Clavinova can be (and should be) negotiated.

The price of the YDP161 is fixed. But the price of the CLP330 is not. You ought to be able to get one for much less than twice the 161's price.

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You should try them out out and see whether the touch of the CLP330 is worth the extra money.

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Originally Posted by motif
shilly-shallying between YDP161 and CLP330

Well, at least you're not wiffling, waffling, wavering, or going all wobbly on us.

Originally Posted by motif
I might add I have RD700GX so I got use to good action and feel.

Then why, pray tell, aren't you pursuing one of the 'F' Roland cabinetry offerings? The LX-10F, HP-302/305/307, and DP990F spring to mind. You already know you like the Roland keys, add the SN piano sound and you're there.


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Re: shilly-shallying between YDP161 and CLP330 [Re: motif] #1544178
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Originally Posted by motif
Hi,
I need a digital piano for my living room and I have narrowed down those two models. Main thing I'm after is good looking,
acoustic like cabinet and of course great piano sound. Other sounds not important. My question is what do you think about
piano action GH on YDP versus GF3 on CLP. Is the difference noticeable under fingers? I might add I have RD700GX so I got use to good action and feel. CLP330 is bigger and looks better but also costs almost twice as YDP161, is it worthy? Besides that GH3 keybed not much difference inside.

thanks


The "feel" of the Gh and GH3 is the same, however the function is not. The GH will not allow a note to be repeated until the key raises up to about 80% of full height but the GH3 allows a note to be repeated at a lower hight. In both the note is damped at about the 80% level. So in theory wwith GH3 you can repeat a note without damping it. But there is no tactile difference so it would be hard to do although a skilled pianist could likely pul it off. Pianos with simulated escapement make this easier but GH3 does not have this so you just have to learn by timing. Remember that almost no upright acoustic piano has this feature so you might say the GH tries to emulate an upright and GH3 a grand but I don't think that is 100% acerate either. The difference is not great.


That said, I think the best place in the CLP line is the CLP340. Otherwise just buy a P155. The CLP340 matches the specs of the P155 for sound generation. Why spend the $$ for a CLP only to have it "out spec'd" by a $1,200 p155? The CLP340 is the crossover point where the CLP series really is better.

Most of the difference in price is the difference is dealer markups. The YDP is sold in mass marketm big chain stores that can run on 15% markup while the CLP line is sold by low-volume deaers who need more margins. My opinion: the CLP's higher price is only worth it if you buy a model that does not have a YDP (or P) series equivalent.

BTW, before you buy a DP as "furniture". look them over good in person. Many are "Ikea Quality" with plastic laminate over particle board shipped "knock down" to be assembled on site. The plastic laminate (aka Formica) is good and has wood texture embossed but is nothing like real wood. If you need furniture you are best off with a used acoustic piano.

Re: shilly-shallying between YDP161 and CLP330 [Re: ChrisA] #1544410
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Originally Posted by ChrisA

That said, I think the best place in the CLP line is the CLP340. Otherwise just buy a P155. The CLP340 matches the specs of the P155 for sound generation. Why spend the $$ for a CLP only to have it "out spec'd" by a $1,200 p155? The CLP340 is the crossover point where the CLP series really is better.


thanks for clarification between GH and GH3 keybed. As I said the main purpose for this purchase was to have nice "furniture" in living room which can play also nice piano smile so P155 doesn't fit here, not looking good and don't even simulate acoustic shape like CLP a little do. Now I see also YDP series don't fit here either. They fit more like in student bedroom...

After your post I think I'll be undecided now between CLP330 and CLP340 smile
I read 340 has 4 level dynamic sampling, not sure how it manifests during playing though. I found also that CLP380 has wooden keys what would please me a lot..
and actually I would really like to have one...

Re: shilly-shallying between YDP161 and CLP330 [Re: dewster] #1544412
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Originally Posted by dewster

Then why, pray tell, aren't you pursuing one of the 'F' Roland cabinetry offerings? The LX-10F, HP-302/305/307, and DP990F spring to mind. You already know you like the Roland keys, add the SN piano sound and you're there.


well, because I have already RD700GX and I know how it sounds
I don't want to have another roland. Piano and EP sounds are very, very disappointing.

Re: shilly-shallying between YDP161 and CLP330 [Re: motif] #1544436
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Originally Posted by motif
...I have already RD700GX and I know how it sounds
I don't want to have another roland. Piano and EP sounds are very, very disappointing.

Do you have the K-RD700GX1 SuperNATURAL piano expansion board plugged into it?

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Originally Posted by dewster
Originally Posted by motif
...I have already RD700GX and I know how it sounds
I don't want to have another roland. Piano and EP sounds are very, very disappointing.

Do you have the K-RD700GX1 SuperNATURAL piano expansion board plugged into it?


nope, don't wanna invest in it anymore.

Re: shilly-shallying between YDP161 and CLP330 [Re: motif] #1544456
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Originally Posted by motif
nope, don't wanna invest in it anymore.

I can't imagine actually owning an RD-700GX and not adding the SN piano kit to it.

That's at least 80% of the reason for having an RD in the first place IMO.

Re: shilly-shallying between YDP161 and CLP330 [Re: motif] #1544461
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Originally Posted by motif
After your post I think I'll be undecided now between CLP330 and CLP340
I read 340 has 4 level dynamic sampling, not sure how it manifests during playing though. I found also that CLP380 has wooden keys what would please me a lot..
and actually I would really like to have one...


Well, if you're considering the CLP-340 you should also look at the other brands, as the CLP line should be replaced in the next few months, while both Roland and Kawai have newer models. You should try the Roland HP-305 which is similar in price to the CLP-340 and also the Kawai CA63, which has wooden keys and one of the best DP keyboard actions (I've never tried it, but many in these forums love it). You also have the CN33, which seems to be a very good DP for the price and has a nice cabinet. I should note that Kawai DPs seem to be very well built, while I can't say the same about Roland. I've compared a Roland HP-305 and a CLP-340 side by side and the Roland has a much cheaper look. And I think the build quality of Kawai should be superior than that of Yamaha.

Hope this helps.

Best regards.

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Originally Posted by PianoPeter73

Well, if you're considering the CLP-340 you should also look at the other brands, as the CLP line should be replaced in the next few months, while both Roland and Kawai have newer models. You should try the Roland HP-305 which is similar in price to the CLP-340 and also the Kawai CA63, which has wooden keys and one of the best DP keyboard actions (I've never tried it, but many in these forums love it). You also have the CN33, which seems to be a very good DP for the price and has a nice cabinet. I should note that Kawai DPs seem to be very well built, while I can't say the same about Roland. I've compared a Roland HP-305 and a CLP-340 side by side and the Roland has a much cheaper look. And I think the build quality of Kawai should be superior than that of Yamaha.


so I have now thanks to you wink even bigger problem because acoustic suzuki AU100 costs less then kawai CA63 and same as CLP340...and nothing bits acoustic right?

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Originally Posted by motif
so I have now thanks to you wink even bigger problem because acoustic suzuki AU100 costs less then kawai CA63 and same as CLP340...and nothing bits acoustic right?


That's the eternal question: acoustic or digital? If you search these forums you'll find countless posts regarding that matter.

In my case an acoustic is not an option because I need to be able to use headphones so I won't bother my kids at night (and my neighbours btw). But even if I didn't have that problem, I think I wouldn't get any good acoustic for the price of a CA63 or other good DP. I don't know that Suzuki so I will not comment, but I doubt it is a great piano. With an acoustic you also have the tuning problem which doesn't happen with a digital which is always perfectly tuned!

Best regards.

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no, I don't think so I get any good acoustic for the price of good digital piano either...so O guess my final pair is CLP340 vs CA63. thanks

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If your final pair is CLP-340 vs CA63 and you can afford the CA63, then I think it is worth it. It has a better keyboard (Kawai RM3 action), better sound engine (Ultra Progressive Harmonic Imaging) and better speakers. It also has other features such as string resonance that the CLP-340 doesn't have. In fact only the top of the line CLP-380 has it.

I've read wonderful things about the CA63 and to be honest I think it should be compared to the CLP-370 or even the CLP-380 in some aspects and not the CLP-340. But as I said in another post, the CLP line should be replaced soon (some say the new models could be announced before the end of the year) and so I wouldn't consider them.

Finally, I'll give you the advice that everyone here gives and that is to never buy a DP without previouly playing it. So play, play, play, compare the various models and see which one suits you the most. It might even be the CLP! Who knows?

And what about Roland? Don't forget the HP line has what many consider to be the best sound engine on DPs, which is the SuperNatural engine.

Best regards.

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I would also go for the CA63 (I had the same decision between CLP-340, HP-30x and CA63). I would compare the CA63 to the CLP-380, but CLP-380 has somewhat better loudspeakers and iAFC (or so) speaker system, but it's much more expensive!

As PianoPeter73 already told you: Test drive all the models that you consider buying. Who knows - maybe you like to sound and keyboard of the CLP-340 better than that of the CA63, and then it would be a pity to get a DP unseen and not be satisfied.


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Originally Posted by mucci

As PianoPeter73 already told you: Test drive all the models that you consider buying. Who knows - maybe you like to sound and keyboard of the CLP-340 better than that of the CA63, and then it would be a pity to get a DP unseen and not be satisfied.


I'm pretty sure I'd prefer wooden keybed of kawai and sound of yamaha smile Also because of traveling cannot test any keyboards currently.
I had previously yamaha DP and I'm not crazy about keybed but piano sound is one of the best. Don't know kawai too much, played once or two MP8 in SamAsh and the sound was kinda kawaian :), the touch a little sponge.


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