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Re: I am normal, I think [Re: Argerich5405] #1542689
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oh my gosh.. that was such a clever post chihuahua..

so nice too! thumb


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Re: I am normal, I think [Re: apple*] #1542718
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I will try to put this into a perspective of a late starter. I started piano late like the TS at the age of 17 years old and picked up the instrument rather quickly. I practiced laborously about 3-5 hours a day to the point I was neglecting my full time study in multimedia. In fact I managed to pass ABRSM grade 7 piano when I was 19. By that time I was feeling very confident that I started to learn difficult masterpieces such as Chopin's 3rd Ballade, Faure's 4th Nocturne, Ginastera's Danza Argentinas, and Debussy's Estampes. At this point I decided to pursue music full time. A couple years later ( I had to work first to get some capital ), I auditioned into a local arts college and was accepted, although just barely.

That was where the rude shock began. I then realised that my understanding of the pieces I had played were shallow and my technique had serious deficiencies. My standard was far from those who had proper grounding and excellent teachers before they entered. I faced many detractors and many teachers told directly to my face I would not even survive the 2nd year. My music study felt very tough but ultimately rewarding and I persevered to graduate it, gaining a newfound love and respect for the music I play irresspective of their difficulties.

The point is this. Did I feel I could conquer the world when I started learning piano and tackled all these big pieces? Yes, I did. On hindsight it was not wise to think so, but I think discounting a person's passions for music just because he/she is not aware of the full difficulties of learning piano is very smug and reeks of elitism. Let him/her discover for himself and hopefully he/she will desire to make better music.


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Re: I am normal, I think [Re: qtpi] #1542790
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Originally Posted by qtpi
LOL!Hi Victor- I hear a lot of puffing goes on in the Netherlands!


Fun side fact, per person, more weed is smoked in the US than in The Netherlands. But that aside smile

Even to think of playing a Rach concert after playing a year is RIDONKULOUS. Even if theoretically you are that good (and put yourself ahead of people like probably even Liszt, Horowitz etc.), and you are the best pianist the world has EVER heard, than you would not even come close to having the musical baggage that one should have before playing a piece like this. I would even say the same if you were thinking about a Beethoven or Schubert sonata. You sir, should try playing some more bagatelle's, prelude's, nocturne's, mazurka's, etude's etc. and it would be great if you could post a video, because you got me really interested in your playing.


Currently working on: Perfecting the Op 2/1, studying the 27/2 last movement. Chopin Nocturne 32/2 and Posth. C#m, 'Raindrop' prelude and Etude 10/9
Repetoire: Beethoven op 2/1, 10/1(1st, 2nd), 13, 14/1, 27/1(1st, 2nd), 27/2, 28(1st, 2nd), 31/2(1st, 3rd), 49/1, 49/2, 78(1st), 79, 90, 101(1st)
Re: I am normal, I think [Re: chihuahua] #1542810
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Originally Posted by chihuahua
What should I do? Should I be puffed up just because I could play the Rach3 with 1 year of piano behind me? Or should I be embarrassed because that Asian kid next door is playing Trois mouvements de Petrouchka with just one month of lesson?

If you learn to play piano to compete with your neighbors, then yes, you should be embarrassed.
If you learn to play piano because it makes you happy, then you should beg to that Asian kid to teach you how to play laugh


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Re: I am normal, I think [Re: apple*] #1542900
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Originally Posted by apple*
i've met and worked with many musicians..

i think personality traits may be amplified. the drama, the emotions.. the response to 'life' seems magnified.


Which is just a kind way of saying that most of them are self-absorbed, egotistical, narcissistic, cut-throat prima-donnas? laugh

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Re: I am normal, I think [Re: Argerich5405] #1542917
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yep - many of them..John Frank

(oddly, i have a nephew with the same name)


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Re: I am normal, I think [Re: Argerich5405] #1542971
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"you would not even come close to having the musical baggage that one should have before playing a piece like this. "

Why do you need musical baggage to play Rach?

What specific "musical baggage" does playing bagatelle's, prelude's, nocturne's, mazurka's, etude give to the player? And why is just hearing (a part of ) them not enough?


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Re: I am normal, I think [Re: Argerich5405] #1543188
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Because playing the piano, and expressing yourself with the piano, isn't the same as listening. Believe me, else I would be one heck of a player!


Currently working on: Perfecting the Op 2/1, studying the 27/2 last movement. Chopin Nocturne 32/2 and Posth. C#m, 'Raindrop' prelude and Etude 10/9
Repetoire: Beethoven op 2/1, 10/1(1st, 2nd), 13, 14/1, 27/1(1st, 2nd), 27/2, 28(1st, 2nd), 31/2(1st, 3rd), 49/1, 49/2, 78(1st), 79, 90, 101(1st)
Re: I am normal, I think [Re: jazzyprof] #1543285
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Originally Posted by jazzyprof
Originally Posted by Argerich5405
I looked at the score and it didn't seem too bad.

Here are the first four measures. This should not be too much of a challenge. The only difficulty might be the proper fingering. My recommendation for these four measures is to practice breathing slowly with your hands on your lap. Use arm weight. Avoid the temptation to rush. Count silently 1-2-3-4. It helps if you keep your eyes closed.
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ROFL. Funny post. I loved it.

Re: I am normal, I think [Re: chihuahua] #1543941
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One day i had a dream. The dream i could play piano. I dreamed of one day i could play every single piece in the piano repertoire. Then suddenly this old man

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came to me, and gave me his hands. When i sat down, i magically started playing anything i wanted. Oh yeah, i started playing liszt concerto no.2, as well as rach 1-4, lets not forget ravel gaspard de la nuit and al the liszt studies...

Re: I am normal, I think [Re: Argerich5405] #1543950
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Come one guys, why is everyone starting with these sarcastic postings. This thread is complete sh.t now.


Re: I am normal, I think [Re: Rui725] #1543957
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I hang out mostly here in the ABF because the people here seemed to be more interested in helping people than in negativity and sarcasm.

Am I wrong?


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Re: I am normal, I think [Re: HeirborneGroupie] #1543965
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Originally Posted by HeirborneGroupie
I hang out mostly here in the ABF because the people here seemed to be more interested in helping people than in negativity and sarcasm.

Am I wrong?

Not completely.
The OP's post does leave plenty of room for the higher than usual percentage of sarcastic replies.
IMHO, the post could well be just to generate a response, and isn't that need a part of why we play music?


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Re: I am normal, I think [Re: elecmuse3] #1543971
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Noted. Isn't silence a response? Wouldn't that be a more intelligent way to respond to a thread like this?


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Re: I am normal, I think [Re: Argerich5405] #1543974
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Originally Posted by Argerich5405
I just feel like I'm not normal... well, maybe just looking for some reassurance that I'm ok!


I think that's quite normal for a young person who practices correctly minimum 4-5 hours/day everyday. Keep up your good work! smile

Re: I am normal, I think [Re: Argerich5405] #1543987
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Euhm LisztAddict, you think its normal for someone who has been playing for 1 year and 3 months, that his teacher tells him he can "tackle" Rachmaninoff's second piano concerto???


Currently working on: Perfecting the Op 2/1, studying the 27/2 last movement. Chopin Nocturne 32/2 and Posth. C#m, 'Raindrop' prelude and Etude 10/9
Repetoire: Beethoven op 2/1, 10/1(1st, 2nd), 13, 14/1, 27/1(1st, 2nd), 27/2, 28(1st, 2nd), 31/2(1st, 3rd), 49/1, 49/2, 78(1st), 79, 90, 101(1st)
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Originally Posted by LisztAddict
Originally Posted by Argerich5405
I just feel like I'm not normal... well, maybe just looking for some reassurance that I'm ok!


I think that's quite normal for a young person who practices correctly minimum 4-5 hours/day everyday. Keep up your good work! smile



Seriously 1 year of technique is nothing to play a rach concerto. i didnt practice 4/5 hours a day when i started cos i was too small and mym hands would have fallen off, but it does seem strange how the heck a 1 year old technique manages to play a rach 2. I think either he gives a video with him actually showing that he can do something up to the standard that he claims to be or even something to show that he is nearly there or its false

Re: I am normal, I think [Re: Argerich5405] #1544052
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Originally Posted by Argerich5405
Oh, la campanella seems difficult! I haven't gotten to any Liszt yet but he wrote some hard stuff. Thanks everyone for saying I'm normal..


My apologies Argerich, I was only teasing. I'm impressed with your progress.

Why do you want to be normal?


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There was a poster here on ABF, he started when he was 18 years old. In about 6 months after he started, he was able to play Mendelssohn Op 67 No 2. In about a year, he could play Schubert impromptu Op 90 No 1 really well.

Rachmaninoff concerto #2, 2nd movement isn't technically difficult to "tackle". When this person will be able to play it, that's not the point here.

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I don't know of many teachers that would assign it to a new student, but we'l see, I would love to see a recording if he does manage it.


Currently working on: Perfecting the Op 2/1, studying the 27/2 last movement. Chopin Nocturne 32/2 and Posth. C#m, 'Raindrop' prelude and Etude 10/9
Repetoire: Beethoven op 2/1, 10/1(1st, 2nd), 13, 14/1, 27/1(1st, 2nd), 27/2, 28(1st, 2nd), 31/2(1st, 3rd), 49/1, 49/2, 78(1st), 79, 90, 101(1st)
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