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Re: International Chopin Competition
Andromaque #1539617 10/20/10 04:54 PM
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1. Avdeeva
2. Geniusas and Wunder
3. Trifonov

Special prizes not yet announced


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Re: International Chopin Competition
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Mazurkas - Trifonov
Concerto - Wunder
Sonata - Avdeeva
Polonaise-Fantasia - Wunder


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4. Bozhanov
5. Dumont
6. Not awarded


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Great competition.I think there may be some stars of the future amongst them.

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Interesting! Those finalists who finished with no placings or awards: Kultyshev, Wakarecy, Tysman. I would have thought Wunder would win but admit I've only seen a couple of his performances and those happened to be the ones for which he won prizes (Concerto and Polonaise-Fantasia). Great competition and fun to watch!


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Happy to see Wunder win something. Tremendous potential to be something special. I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear from him again.



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Originally Posted by stores
Happy to see Wunder win something. Tremendous potential to be something special. I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear from him again.


Agreed!


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Thanks for the update, that was quick!



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Wow. The results are a farce.

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Originally Posted by cast12
Wow. The results are a farce.

Do tell?

I'll admit that the ordering isn't one I would have made but I'll also admit that I've not seen or watched every minute of every performance, even of the finalists (I'm watching Avdeeva's concerto performance now) so it's hard for me to second guess the judges.

Why do you feel the results are a farce?


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Originally Posted by cast12
Wow. The results are a farce.

Do tell?

I'll admit that the ordering isn't one I would have made but I'll also admit that I've not seen or watched every minute of every performance, even of the finalists (I'm watching Avdeeva's concerto performance now) so it's hard for me to second guess the judges.

Why do you feel the results are a farce?


I was wondering the same. I've also not watched all of the performers and just now have Avdeeva's concerto cued up to go. I would have liked to have had more time to devote to watching this in general.



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Me too. Avdeeva in particular was hardly ever at a favourable time for me, so I am listening to her right now.



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strange result, as i just saw. i guess that Argerich didn't have the dominant vote after all.

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Originally Posted by signa
strange result, as i just saw. i guess that Argerich didn't have the dominant vote after all.


Why do you say that?



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I guess it was Avdeeva's suit that won it for her... wink

....seriously, all the competitors (I listened to most of them) were fantastic. That's as deep as my analysis goes! grin


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Originally Posted by signa
strange result, as i just saw. i guess that Argerich didn't have the dominant vote after all.


From what I read, Martha didn't seem to unhappy about her winning:

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Martha Argerich, a past winner and member of the jury, told The Associated Press the panel had been impressed by the searching quality in Avdeeva's performance.
"She's a very harmonious artist. She's always searching for some kind of truth," said Argerich, who won in 1965.
"I am extremely happy about Yulianna, and particularly because she is the first woman after 45 years. After me there was no lady, so I am very happy _ double _ for this."

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I've only listened to Avdeeva's performance in the finals and can only say I don't think she won on the strength of her concerto performance. I thought several of the others performed much better than she did in the finals. I'm planning on going back to watch her performances in the earlier rounds to see what it is the judges saw in her (giving the benefit of the doubt).


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I never saw a clear winner, i don t think any of them really stod out on all stages. Like it s been said, some of the best guys on the solo stages faded a bit in the finals (Khozyainov) ... but i definitely did not see anyone shining through the rest of the participants.

will review Avdeeva 's performances , anyway, congratulations to her.

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Originally Posted by cruiser
......the competitors (I listened to most of them) were fantastic. That's as deep as my analysis goes! grin


you are a very wise man. laugh

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More thoughts on the finalists after listening to more replays:

To be worthy of a prize one must be in control of the piano technically. Unfortunately Khozyainov seemed technically insecure, i.e. not in control of the piano, even before the light failure. (As in, he looked like he was always struggling to hit the right notes).

Then the next standard is Kultyshev, who was technically perfect, but played machine-like and didn't convey much emotion or individuality (to be fair he displayed much potential in the chords and left hand, more suitable for the bigger romantic pieces like Tchaikovsky and Rach). That's also not worthy to win a prize at such a prestigious competition. To me, he drawed the line of a standard pianist vs a good pianist.

I thought Helene Tysman was above Kultyshev in that she played like she had something to say through the piano. Technique-wise the flow could have been better at some of the running passages.

Wunder overall had a good performance and perfectly in control. His dynamics could show more variety; I couldn't tell from mf from ff. I liked the counterpoint from the left hand.

Geniusas had the perfect right hand, with ideal phrasing, accents, flow in difficult passages. His left hand could have shown a lot more prominence and bring out the base melody.

Avdeeva had the best dynamic range out of all performance I heard. Also good balance between left and right hand. Unlike the critics I did not find her playing too fast at all, at least in the first movement (if you look at the timing, it's around 20 minutes which is standard). She also showed that individual flair which I enjoyed. There were some slips and phrasing I didn't like, so it was by far not a perfect performance, but certainly prize worthy.

I have to re-listen to Trifonov and Bozhanov, but combining the best of Wunder, Avdeeva, and Geniusas, and one probably gets the perfect Chopin 1st concerto.

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