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#1530746 - 10/08/10 04:59 AM Your Warm-up Routine  
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What are you doing in the warm-up routine ?



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#1530753 - 10/08/10 05:22 AM Re: Your Warm-up Routine [Re: Batuhan]  
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Lots of scales, JB Cramer studies and BACH!! Chopin's waterfall etude is one of the best warm ups but i find you have to warm up before you can play it so it sort of defeats the object!!


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1) Scales, 2) Chords, 3) Arpeggios, 4) Hanon 5) Trill Exercises.

Very basic but very effective!!


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BACH: Invention No. 13 in a min.
GRIEG: Notturno Op. 54 No. 4
VILLA-LOBOS: O Polichinelo

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#1530763 - 10/08/10 06:18 AM Re: Your Warm-up Routine [Re: Batuhan]  
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survivordan.. how long does that take you? tho a big fan of preparatory exercises, i've been lax..



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#1530764 - 10/08/10 06:22 AM Re: Your Warm-up Routine [Re: survivordan]  
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Originally Posted by survivordan
1) Scales, 2) Chords, 3) Arpeggios, 4) Hanon 5) Trill Exercises.

Very basic but very effective!!


How many octaves in scales and arpeggios and which chords ? With inversions or not ?



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#1530767 - 10/08/10 06:29 AM Re: Your Warm-up Routine [Re: apple*]  
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This may sound silly, but I use the game Guitar Hero for hand warm ups. The game works great for waking and stretching of the fingers. I can play the game both left-handed and right-handed so it works out well. It sort or prepares your mind for coordination with the keys and notes as well as focus. Although I would not recommend everyone to rush out and buy the game for this purpose, but if you already have it, it is a fun way to warm-up! After that I generally will begin with one or two past songs I have learned, then I'll start with my current work.


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#1530772 - 10/08/10 06:43 AM Re: Your Warm-up Routine [Re: Batuhan]  
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Currently working on: Perfecting the Op 2/1, studying the 27/2 last movement. Chopin Nocturne 32/2 and Posth. C#m, 'Raindrop' prelude and Etude 10/9
Repetoire: Beethoven op 2/1, 10/1(1st, 2nd), 13, 14/1, 27/1(1st, 2nd), 27/2, 28(1st, 2nd), 31/2(1st, 3rd), 49/1, 49/2, 78(1st), 79, 90, 101(1st)
#1530788 - 10/08/10 07:21 AM Re: Your Warm-up Routine [Re: Batuhan]  
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Morning:
1) 15-minutes of Cortot's Daily Keyboard Gymnastics
2) 15-minutes of Cortot's Rational Principles of Pianoforte Technique (a different series most days, depending on difficulty)
3) 15-minutes of scales/arps/octaves, a different M/m pair each day
after that, I practice repertory 2-3 hours

Afternoon:
1) 15-minutes of Czerny School of Velocity (a different exercise most days, depending of difficulty)
After that I practice 2-3 hours

If there's an evening session,
1) 15-minutes Bach Inventions

P.S. I don't work - I'm retired smile


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#1530790 - 10/08/10 07:25 AM Re: Your Warm-up Routine [Re: Batuhan]  
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Haha you are wrong about that, you DO work!


Currently working on: Perfecting the Op 2/1, studying the 27/2 last movement. Chopin Nocturne 32/2 and Posth. C#m, 'Raindrop' prelude and Etude 10/9
Repetoire: Beethoven op 2/1, 10/1(1st, 2nd), 13, 14/1, 27/1(1st, 2nd), 27/2, 28(1st, 2nd), 31/2(1st, 3rd), 49/1, 49/2, 78(1st), 79, 90, 101(1st)
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Scales, various exercises from Hanon, Dohnanyi, Brahms, and things teachers showed me.

As far as how long it takes - my answer is "until I'm warmed up." If you're warm in 5 minutes, there's no reason to keep on going. If it takes a half hour, then I spend a half hour.


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#1530895 - 10/08/10 10:03 AM Re: Your Warm-up Routine [Re: Batuhan]  
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I usually just jump in and start practicing whatever pieces I'm working on. If I feel I need to warm up - I play Bach's Invention #8 a couple of times. Works for me.

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#1530904 - 10/08/10 10:13 AM Re: Your Warm-up Routine [Re: Batuhan]  
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#1530915 - 10/08/10 10:23 AM Re: Your Warm-up Routine [Re: Batuhan]  
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First I do finger stretches, then practice a major and minor scale (different one every week) For the scales, I put the metronome on something fairly slow (60ish) then I'll play one note per beet, then two, then three, and so on until I get to 7 or 8. Then I do the arpeggios for the scale. After that I work on some exercises from Dozen a Day. Then I sight read a few pages of something and one or two hymns. If I have a lot of time, I'll run through some pieces I worked on recently.

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Your warm up routine should achieve your purpose. Scales, arpeggios, chords, different technical exercises, etc, all warm up different parts of your fingers/wrist/hand muscles. If you find that when playing repertoire pieces some parts of your hand are still not completely warmed up, then add that to your warm up routine. The converse is also true, as in there is no need to play all 24 scales if you find playing half of them is already sufficient, as some techniques overlap.

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#1531017 - 10/08/10 12:50 PM Re: Your Warm-up Routine [Re: Batuhan]  
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2 octave scales in a different key each week. Broken arpeggios in inversions on the tonic of the key up and down the keyboard i.e. 135, 351, 513, 315. HS and HT. Then I do the block chords the same way up and down the keyboard.
On alternate days instead of the arps and chords, I run the I, IV, V, progression in all inversions using common tone voicing.

This routine warms up the hands and mind and is always first in my morning session. It takes me about 20 minutes but it's hard to tell because I frequently have to stop to help get the 12 and 16 year to school. Stupid kids.

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#1531035 - 10/08/10 01:20 PM Re: Your Warm-up Routine [Re: KurtZ]  
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get the 12 and 16 year to school. Stupid kids.


School? SMART kids!


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#1531120 - 10/08/10 03:15 PM Re: Your Warm-up Routine [Re: Batuhan]  
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Originally Posted by Batuhan
What are you doing in the warm-up routine ?
I think warm-up and improving skills are not the same. In my opinion, warm-up might include:
- walking, running, other whole-body exercise
- light stretching
- meditation, if you do that
- playing music that is already very easy for you

And the other items, things that build up piano skills, belong in another category that is only done after warming up.


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#1531221 - 10/08/10 05:59 PM Re: Your Warm-up Routine [Re: Batuhan]  
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play the stuff due, am warm at the end of practicetime, and have spaghetti in stead of fingers, every day, it works.


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My warm-up routine: a nice, hot cup of coffee, black with sugar...and a warm croissant. smile That gets me ready for slow practice on whatever piece I'm working on.


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I usually start out by just doing some sight reading for about 15 minutes. That usually gets me warmed up in an entertaining way. Sometimes if my hands feel unusually cold or stiff I will start out with some slowish scales, gradually working up faster and faster.

By the way, is it just me, or do any of you notice that you can be well warmed up, then practice a slow movement and be cold again when you're done? Maybe it's just that I get cold easily...

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I haven't warmed up for years. I did when I was young but now I find it unnecessary. Five minutes technical work, first thing in the morning and last thing at night, on the silent practice clavier, is quite sufficient to keep the physical apparatus at a level much higher than needed for my musical purposes.


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Sorry for my lapse in reading. To answer the two questions posed to me:

1) This routine in its entirety may take me approximately half an hour. As a side note - someone mentioned that things being learned and warm-ups are two separate things. I must disagree, at least partially. If we use scales as an example: one of the purposes of learning scales is to learn about key signatures and their notes, playing in different rhythms, dynamics, articulation, etc. In other words, *musical* things. But another (though not completely separate) purpose is that of technique, or mechanics. Speed, clarity, evenness, hand movement, and so on. I do not mean this to sound like a "cop-out", if you will, but sometimes the point of scales is *only* to warm up. That's it. You're not really learning anything new, but are physically and mentally preparing yourself to play.

2)I do blocked and broken 3-Note and 4-Note chords up and down through one octave. e.g. Root, 1st Inv., 2nd Inv. Root, Root, 2nd inv. 1st Inv., Root.


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#1532433 - 10/10/10 02:42 PM Re: Your Warm-up Routine [Re: Victor25]  
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Originally Posted by Victor25
BACH


Many people say "Bach" as a warm up.
Can anyone be more specific? Thanks!

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lately, chop 10/1 and 10/4 .. working on expanding this though.

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Originally Posted by Richter
lately, chop 10/1 and 10/4 .. working on expanding this though.


If those two etudes don't warm you up - nothing will !!! grin


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Originally Posted by josuff247
Originally Posted by Victor25
BACH


Many people say "Bach" as a warm up.
Can anyone be more specific? Thanks!


For example, most of the Preludes from WTC I and II, some of the the Two and Three Part Inventions, and excerpts from the Partitas, Suites and Toccatas.

In other words, anything Bach wrote that requires moderate to rapid finger work and precision.



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Originally Posted by josuff247
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BACH


Many people say "Bach" as a warm up.
Can anyone be more specific? Thanks!


The Dmajor prelude from Book I has been part of my warm up for as long as I can remember.



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Originally Posted by survivordan
As a side note - someone mentioned that things being learned and warm-ups are two separate things. I must disagree, at least partially. If we use scales as an example: one of the purposes of learning scales is to learn about key signatures and their notes, playing in different rhythms, dynamics, articulation, etc. In other words, *musical* things. But another (though not completely separate) purpose is that of technique, or mechanics. Speed, clarity, evenness, hand movement, and so on. I do not mean this to sound like a "cop-out", if you will, but sometimes the point of scales is *only* to warm up. That's it. You're not really learning anything new, but are physically and mentally preparing yourself to play.
Dan, I think we essentially agree. I think for you scales might be excellent as a warm-up or part of one, because you know them already and they are not difficult for you to get through. But for a young student who's learning scales for the first time, scales are IMO not potential warm-up material at all.


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Normally, I don't warm up at all; but sometimes, if my fingers are cold, I'll play the song "Clocks" by Coldplay to heat up my hands (actually, I play that song first almost every time I sit down at the piano anyway simply because it's awesome).

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I warm up by doing arm swings and star jumps. This is the most effective way.

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Originally Posted by survivordan
As a side note - someone mentioned that things being learned and warm-ups are two separate things. I must disagree, at least partially. If we use scales as an example: one of the purposes of learning scales is to learn about key signatures and their notes, playing in different rhythms, dynamics, articulation, etc. In other words, *musical* things. But another (though not completely separate) purpose is that of technique, or mechanics. Speed, clarity, evenness, hand movement, and so on. I do not mean this to sound like a "cop-out", if you will, but sometimes the point of scales is *only* to warm up. That's it. You're not really learning anything new, but are physically and mentally preparing yourself to play.
Dan, I think we essentially agree. I think for you scales might be excellent as a warm-up or part of one, because you know them already and they are not difficult for you to get through. But for a young student who's learning scales for the first time, scales are IMO not potential warm-up material at all.


Yes, I completely agree smile.


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Typically, it is Hanon 21-30, scales, double thirds, arpeggios, and broken chords in whatever key I am focusing on for that month; about twenty of the Dohnanyis; a routine of arpeggios in rhythms I've worked out based on the diminished and major 7ths in Hanon; a little work on the Cooke scale velocity thing; and, sort of transitioning to rep, etudes by Clementi, Moszkowski, Moscheles, and Persichetti.

But this big mess of stuff is not just warming up, it is simultaneously technical work.

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I don't use one and here's why.

If I accustomed myself to warmups, I would be conditioning myself to expect them. This hampers performance.

Do I play scales? You bet! Do I practice arps and other usual technique? Sure! Just not first thing when I sit down.

I guess, if there was one thing I do prior to playing - ideally, at least once a day - it is to bend each finger backwards to loosen the joints and keep them supple as I age.


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as a kid i went through all those scales and exercises and stuff, but seriously, is there really a point in warming up? i just jump straight to whatever i'm working on.

of course, i'm not a professional pianist so i don't spend much time practicing, so maybe that's different.

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Originally Posted by gerg
I guess, if there was one thing I do prior to playing - ideally, at least once a day - it is to bend each finger backwards to loosen the joints and keep them supple as I age.
That is absolutely a warm-up, so you do indeed use one. It just isn't a playing warm-up - but there's no rule that it has to be one.


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Originally Posted by Lingyis
as a kid i went through all those scales and exercises and stuff, but seriously, is there really a point in warming up?


There is for me. My hands aren't really fully functional until after I've done a lot of playing, so warming up makes a big difference. I just can't play or practice as well if I don't do an extensive warm-up first.

Yes, I can jump right in and sometimes I do that just for a break in routine, but it is a whole different experience, and one that I think would not be useful as a regular thing.

But all of us are different. I am sure if I had the hands and blood circulation and metabolism, etc., of some of the people here, I wouldn't bother with warming up either.

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Originally Posted by david_a
Originally Posted by gerg
I guess, if there was one thing I do prior to playing - ideally, at least once a day - it is to bend each finger backwards to loosen the joints and keep them supple as I age.
That is absolutely a warm-up, so you do indeed use one. It just isn't a playing warm-up - but there's no rule that it has to be one.


I agree completely. Someone here posted a while ago (probably last year) that his fingers felt great after lawn mowing. On internet you find people with similar experiences with different activities.

Realizing that allows us to schedule our time more efficiently. Like if you have to mow the grass, or hand wash a shirt (imagine that squeezing and wringing action), or knead some dough to make a bread or wash a big load of dishes, you can do it before your practice, and you will have accomplished at least some warming up before your practice.

Warming up in musicality is different, but for physical only, you can achieve it through different activities.


Dave
#1533413 - 10/11/10 08:11 PM Re: Your Warm-up Routine [Re: DaveInMichigan]  
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It's better to stretch your fingers back immediately after playing not before.

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Originally Posted by debrucey
It's better to stretch your fingers back immediately after playing not before.


Why? I don't think it matters. The only reason that I could think of would be to "undo" any tension, but if you did it before playing it might reduce it in the first place...

I'm confused, debrucy.


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BACH: Invention No. 13 in a min.
GRIEG: Notturno Op. 54 No. 4
VILLA-LOBOS: O Polichinelo

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#1533531 - 10/12/10 12:02 AM Re: Your Warm-up Routine [Re: Batuhan]  
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I don't warm up...though I prefer to start with sections that don't require fast fingers/arms, which gradually "warm" you up. Sorta like the Liszt sonata, which kinda gets you warm before the fireworks start midway in the second movement.


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Chopin - Nocturne op. 48 no.1
Debussy - Images Book II

#1533667 - 10/12/10 06:40 AM Re: Your Warm-up Routine [Re: debrucey]  
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Originally Posted by debrucey
It's better to stretch your fingers back immediately after playing not before.

The only time I stretch my fingers (actually I'd call it 'bring the fingers back to home position') is when practicing Chopin Op.10#1. I do it every 15 minutes or so.


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