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#1530588 - 10/07/10 09:33 PM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Bech]  
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Yes, the her command over the instrument is good. I actually stumbled on the video as I was looking for some motivation for my own study of the Liszt etude.

I think most of the members of this form take issue with the fact that the music becomes all about Lola instead of being about the music itself.

I have to mention that ironically I didn't notice the clear view of Lola's... well... um...assets. I payed more attention to the face which to me look rather well, to put bluntly, stupid.

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#1530625 - 10/07/10 11:24 PM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Bech]  
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I already threw up 3 times last night, I really don't want to do it again...

Makes me think, though. If I start dressing and acting like that, will I be famous too?



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#1530628 - 10/07/10 11:33 PM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Pogorelich.]  
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I'm not sure if I'd call Miss Astanova famous.

#1530629 - 10/07/10 11:35 PM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Pogorelich.]  
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Originally Posted by Pogorelich.
Makes me think, though. If I start dressing and acting like that, will I be famous too?


You'd get a few million views and likes on youtube. laugh

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#1530637 - 10/07/10 11:52 PM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: LisztAddict]  
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Originally Posted by Pogorelich.
Makes me think, though. If I start dressing and acting like that, will I be famous too?


You'd get a few million views and likes on youtube. laugh


And part of my soul will die forever... smirk



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#1530642 - 10/08/10 12:05 AM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Bech]  
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Here are a couple more videos that might be of interest. We've all got our favorites and these are a couple of mine, worth every minute.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwPBGOt5Gx4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USCF6-fIXPU


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#1530657 - 10/08/10 12:34 AM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Bech]  
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Wow. Just wow.

How do you pronounce his name? GAVRYLYUK

I need to remember that one. Command of the instrument indeed.


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#1530663 - 10/08/10 12:48 AM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: MikeN]  
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I'm just amazed that she can manage all those notes with such a tense and awkward hand position. How many other pianists manage to play Liszt with their fingers pointing at the sky instead of the keyboard?

#1530676 - 10/08/10 01:18 AM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: bellamusica]  
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Originally Posted by bellamusica
I'm just amazed that she can manage all those notes with such a tense and awkward hand position. How many other pianists manage to play Liszt with their fingers pointing at the sky instead of the keyboard?


I was wondering somewhat the same thing. Her hands look extremely tense.

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#1530677 - 10/08/10 01:19 AM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: jlynne]  
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Originally Posted by jlynne
Wow. Just wow.

How do you pronounce his name? GAVRYLYUK

I need to remember that one. Command of the instrument indeed.


Indeed! Where did he come from and why can I only find 2 of his CDs at Arkivmusic? Must hear more...

#1530724 - 10/08/10 04:26 AM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Bech]  
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Let me say that she has a very healthy... chest

YEAAAAHHHHH

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#1530769 - 10/08/10 07:40 AM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: MarkH]  
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Originally Posted by beet31425

As long as she doesn't cross over into the realm of abomination; for me, that wasteland is represented not by the pianist you referred to (who I actually like), but instead the likes of Maksim Mrvica (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSkh5dgn69U).

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Agreed completely concerning Maksim! sick


oh god ...that was terrible

#1530777 - 10/08/10 07:48 AM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Bech]  
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Well i wonder what were you thinking when you said you can't find a miore exciting pianist.

#1530780 - 10/08/10 07:54 AM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: MarkH]  
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Originally Posted by MarkH
Originally Posted by jlynne
Wow. Just wow.

How do you pronounce his name? GAVRYLYUK

I need to remember that one. Command of the instrument indeed.


Indeed! Where did he come from and why can I only find 2 of his CDs at Arkivmusic? Must hear more...


Markh and jlynne, and all,

More about Alexander here:
http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Bio/Gavrylyuk-Alexander.htm

Your favorite search engine will provide you with more - enjoy!

I ordered CDs of his via Barnes and Noble. It took a week for them to arrive.

Total command of the instrument, indeed. His work is simply jaw-dropping good, a virtuoso by definition.


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#1531222 - 10/08/10 07:00 PM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Bech]  
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There definitely more exciting pianist like Claire (even though she seems to be bit inconsistent)- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HKO9CZkJLA I like Lola but I she's definitely not the best in the world which you seem to think.

#1531289 - 10/08/10 09:34 PM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Bech]  
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I like the idea of Maksim.
But the execution on the other hand...

He is EXTREMELY popular in Asia and opened up the classical music world to a whole new generation, so I can admire him for that.

And he is actually a technically good player. He must have worked hard I'm sure.

His Hungarian Rhapsody isn't without it's charm, and his performach of the Flight of the Bumblebee is very sweet I think.

I just can't help thinking...

you've butchered that piece with all the added crap.

And I'm more than sure he's in the same boat as Miss Astanova...
The pretty face is only going to help him sell.

#1531297 - 10/08/10 09:47 PM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: beet31425]  
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Originally Posted by beet31425
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As long as she doesn't cross over into the realm of abomination; for me, that wasteland is represented not by the pianist you referred to (who I actually like), but instead the likes of Maksim Mrvica (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSkh5dgn69U).



Dear lord. I couldn't even watch the whole thing.

#1531324 - 10/08/10 10:43 PM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Bech]  
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Hm...Maksim Mrvica is pretty cute. I'd prefer someone like him to be the teen idol of the day rather than Justin Bieber. Plus his rebellious score-changing persona is attractive in a way...I guess stores has lost all respect for me now. laugh I wonder what sort of performer Liszt would be if he lived in present day? It would be funny if he decided to be a rock star or someone like Maksim.

#1531330 - 10/08/10 10:53 PM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Bech]  
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Richard Clayderman? LOL


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#1531332 - 10/08/10 10:54 PM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Bech]  
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Alexei Sultanov was a good friend of Lola's. He won 1st place at the Van Cliburn competition and took second place in the Chopin competition a few years later. He refused the 2nd place award.

Sadly, he died when only 35 years of age. He is outstanding. You might want to give him a look on YouTube.

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#1531446 - 10/09/10 03:45 AM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Bech]  
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Anymore pictures of Lola Astanova? Does she give private concerts?


Currently working on: Perfecting the Op 2/1, studying the 27/2 last movement. Chopin Nocturne 32/2 and Posth. C#m, 'Raindrop' prelude and Etude 10/9
Repetoire: Beethoven op 2/1, 10/1(1st, 2nd), 13, 14/1, 27/1(1st, 2nd), 27/2, 28(1st, 2nd), 31/2(1st, 3rd), 49/1, 49/2, 78(1st), 79, 90, 101(1st)
#1531461 - 10/09/10 04:31 AM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Bech]  
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Originally Posted by Bech
Alexei Sultanov was a good friend of Lola's.


What's your point?



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#1531478 - 10/09/10 05:04 AM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Bech]  
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Sultanov: what awful tragedy in such a short lifespan..
Not sure which is worse: the strokes that paralyzed and eventually killed him or the self mutilation events of his earlier years.. I wonder if anyone has written a good biography of him. He also won both the Van Cliburn and the Chopin* competitions. I don't know if this story is true but he supposedly punched the wall during the Tchaikovsky competition, shattering his 5th finger and had to withdraw. He told his parents and teachers that the fallboard fell on his hand to avoid their wrath and disappointment..
He was an immense talent.


* He actually shared 2nd place with Giusiano. They did not give a first prize that year (1995). Gabriela Montero was 3rd.

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#1532283 - 10/10/10 11:53 AM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Bech]  
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I find her technique incredible awkward and tense. How dare she not develop tendinitis instead of me! :P hehe

#1532776 - 10/11/10 02:23 AM Re: Lola Astanova [Re: Bech]  
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I cannot believe all the criticism I read here. I wouldn't ever compare her to Lang langs of the world because everything she does is honest and genuine, the same way Gould did it. I listened to some of her audio recordings (better sound quality) after I read some of the comments on this thread and found her Chopin sonata far superior to that of say Argerich and on par with Horowitz. It is very judgmental to downplay her tremendous abilities and talent because of her physical beauty. Yes, classical music scene has had attractive women performers like Argerich, Grimaud, Lisitsa etc. and those are some fine ladies. But lets face it there hasn't ever been a female performer who was so unapologetically striking, whose look was so uncomfortably sexy that it was hard to concentrated on the music . So a lot of people are confused, and choose to calm themselves by saying that she's got the beauty while others got the talent. Well, I listen to a lot of music and am sorry to say that this argument is becoming somewhat weak in my eyes and ears. Her playing is intellectual and coherent and she is a natural, instinctive interpreter who happens to have great technique on top of that. My conclusion: people are simply a bit jealous, thrown off by the whole "situation".

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Originally Posted by Guldesque
I cannot believe all the criticism I read here. I wouldn't ever compare her to Lang langs of the world because everything she does is honest and genuine, the same way Gould did it. I listened to some of her audio recordings (better sound quality) after I read some of the comments on this thread and found her Chopin sonata far superior to that of say Argerich and on par with Horowitz. It is very judgmental to downplay her tremendous abilities and talent because of her physical beauty. Yes, classical music scene has had attractive women performers like Argerich, Grimaud, Lisitsa etc. and those are some fine ladies. But lets face it there hasn't ever been a female performer who was so unapologetically striking, whose look was so uncomfortably sexy that it was hard to concentrated on the music . So a lot of people are confused, and choose to calm themselves by saying that she's got the beauty while others got the talent. Well, I listen to a lot of music and am sorry to say that this argument is becoming somewhat weak in my eyes and ears. Her playing is intellectual and coherent and she is a natural, instinctive interpreter who happens to have great technique on top of that. My conclusion: people are simply a bit jealous, thrown off by the whole "situation".


I've said it before and I'll say it again...thank you for the heads up...you are now officially on the not to be taken seriously list. To assume that I cannot concentrate on the music, because some bimbo with too much makeup is sitting at the piano is quite simply ludicrous. To level her playing with that of Horowitz and Argerich is entirely laughable (oh wait you said it was superior to Argerich...) and unfortunately (for you) casts you in the role of forum jester/fool. I'm always amused by those who shout "jealousy!" when they read any sort of critique. Jealous of what? Of Lola? Ummm, no. If my opinion is that she sucks, then I'm CERTAINLY not jealous of her suckiness and don't wish to attain such. At any rate...carry on...



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Thats a good point stores. Why would anyone be jealous of someone they believe to suck? Doesn't really make sense.

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Better than Argerich ... go buy some new ears

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Originally Posted by Guldesque
I cannot believe all the criticism I read here. I wouldn't ever compare her to Lang langs of the world because everything she does is honest and genuine, the same way Gould did it. I listened to some of her audio recordings (better sound quality) after I read some of the comments on this thread and found her Chopin sonata far superior to that of say Argerich and on par with Horowitz. It is very judgmental to downplay her tremendous abilities and talent because of her physical beauty. Yes, classical music scene has had attractive women performers like Argerich, Grimaud, Lisitsa etc. and those are some fine ladies. But lets face it there hasn't ever been a female performer who was so unapologetically striking, whose look was so uncomfortably sexy that it was hard to concentrated on the music . So a lot of people are confused, and choose to calm themselves by saying that she's got the beauty while others got the talent. Well, I listen to a lot of music and am sorry to say that this argument is becoming somewhat weak in my eyes and ears. Her playing is intellectual and coherent and she is a natural, instinctive interpreter who happens to have great technique on top of that. My conclusion: people are simply a bit jealous, thrown off by the whole "situation".


The ultimate test of one's playing is whether it stands up to a listening test without video, where one is neither impressed nor distressed by the player's looks or mannerisms. Also, it is important that the performance be real and unedited. I've tried this with a number of instrumentalists, including the so-called Golden Age players (many of whom were never documented on film), to the current crop of youngsters.

So, I can confidently say that my dislike of Lang Lang's playing has nothing to do with the Betty Boop faces he makes, and my sense of repulsion at Ms. Astanova's playing is not related to her looks or her incredibly bizarre approach to the keyboard. Rather, in Ms. Astanova's case, it is related to her awkward phrasing, harsh tone, and lack of line.


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Originally Posted by Guldesque
I cannot believe all the criticism I read here. I wouldn't ever compare her to Lang langs of the world because everything she does is honest and genuine, the same way Gould did it. I listened to some of her audio recordings (better sound quality) after I read some of the comments on this thread and found her Chopin sonata far superior to that of say Argerich and on par with Horowitz. It is very judgmental to downplay her tremendous abilities and talent because of her physical beauty. Yes, classical music scene has had attractive women performers like Argerich, Grimaud, Lisitsa etc. and those are some fine ladies. But lets face it there hasn't ever been a female performer who was so unapologetically striking, whose look was so uncomfortably sexy that it was hard to concentrated on the music . So a lot of people are confused, and choose to calm themselves by saying that she's got the beauty while others got the talent. Well, I listen to a lot of music and am sorry to say that this argument is becoming somewhat weak in my eyes and ears. Her playing is intellectual and coherent and she is a natural, instinctive interpreter who happens to have great technique on top of that. My conclusion: people are simply a bit jealous, thrown off by the whole "situation".


Jealous of what, her arrogance? Her incredible vanity? Her awkward way of playing? Right.. open up your ears, it all comes through in her playing even if you aren't looking. I couldn't stand looking at her so I started listening with the picture blocked, and still hated it.

I'm so tired of the jealous argument, it's so f.ing stupid. Do you know who I'm jealous of? Richter, Uchida and Gergiev. People who are actually incredible, humble and make me enjoy listening to their music. Get real.



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