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Come on Greg, enough speculation - get yourself over to your local Kawai dealer and give the RM3 Grand action a try!

Cheers,
James
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I think the MP9000 has very much the same action (AWA Grand Pro) as my CP136. If so, then you should see/hear/feel a big improvement with the RM3 action.

FWIW, I just measured my Casio PX-330, using a tyre tread depth gauge:

Total Key Travel: 11mm
Note-Off point: 6mm/55% release
Partial-repeat release: 4mm/36% release

Prior to this I had only eye-balled it, and I got it wrong. It is hard to estimate the distances by just looking.

I have, though, measured my MP9000 at 50% release in the past.

Greg.

Of course! I'm just skeptical at the moment that the note-off point will be much different, that's all.

I am 100% certain that any concert pianist would much prefer the RM3 action, even if it only has two sensors, to my tri-sensor Casio action.

Greg.

Sorry, I had missed this. I'm puzzled, though. The CA93 is an existing product, so why can't you simply answer the question for us? In any case, yes, I'll endeavour to try one tomorrow. I'd rather you saved me the trouble and simply answered the question though.

Greg.

Please remind me - what was the question again?

James
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The question is:

How will the CA93 behave when the following test is performed:
(same question for the MP10):

1. Turn the volume up quite high
2. Play a note forte, but do NOT lift off the key yet.
3. Slowly release the key, until the note terminates, but no further than this.
4. Note the point in the key travel at which the note terminates.
5. Lift off the key completely.
6. Repeat steps 2 to 5 as required to get a good feel for the note termination point.
7. Play a note forte again, and again, do not lift off.
8. Slowly release the key. This time, stop at a point JUST below the note termination point. Hold the key at this position with one finger.
9. With the OTHER hand, push down on the same key with a forte force.
10. If the action simulates double-escapement, you will hear a NEW NOTE, without the original note ever being terminated first. If it does not simulate double-escapement, you will merely hear the ORIGINAL note continue to decay.

Sorry for hassling you - I appreciate your presence here.

Thanks,
Greg.

Ah, I'm sorry, I'm afraid I honestly don't know the answer to that.

It strikes me that you are rather familiar with the different action mechanisms, therefore if you wish to check any technical characteristics of the RM3 Grand action, I strongly recommend that you visit your local Kawai dealer and play-test the action yourself.

But please be sure to report your findings back to the PW faithful.

Kind regards,
James
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My answer is (for CA63): It does not simulate double escapement. There is no way to do this with 2 sensors.

I strongly believe that this is identical on a CA93, because the only difference in keyboard action is the escapement emulation, but not an additional third sensor. Mabe someone else with a CA93 can confirm...

No restrictions I am not under any exclusive obligations with anyone.

I was playing it on the weekend and nobody said anything at all so I'd guess with the MP10 If I wanted one I'd have to actually buy it !

More evidence of the difference in marketing between Kawai and the rest of the world?

Hey I'll promote any DP brand if I get it for free... What the....

DrPopper,



Are you referring to the staff on the Kawai booth?

Cheers,
James
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Hi everyone,

referring to my earlier question about keybeds; I know by experience that the RM3 is a really great keybed, but going down the ladder how is the new RH in comparison ? And how does it hold up against the competing PHA-IIIs that is build in the RF7F ?

I didn't like the PHAIII on the V-piano (too much 'thumb thumb') , but I did like the PHAII on the RD700GX and expect the "new" incarnations of PHAIII to be quite good and less noisy. If the RH on the MP6 is like 90% as good as the RM3 and comparable to the PHAIII in quality, I want to make a pre-order for the MP6. Simply because it's more portable than the MP10. If it's very inferior to the RM3 in realistic touché and/or the PHAIII is really better as an alternative, than I'll either go for the FP7F , or wait for the MP10 and decide later...

Any help would be appreciated, because I'm about to pull the trigger on this for a MP6 / FP7F pre-order so I won't have to wait another 3 months before I can try it in the shop or get one from later shipment batches.

Good morning JFP,



It's really great, and can be play-tested in the CN33 and - albeit without let-off simulation - CN23 instruments that are already available in stores.



I expect only Dr Popper will be able to answer that one.



90%? What does that mean?



I expect the majority of folks here would recommend that you play-test all of the instruments under consideration before purchasing. If for some reason this is not possible, I strongly urge you to try the instruments that feature the same keyboard actions and are available.

Minimising the amount of guess-work from this decision is surely the best way to avoid being disappointed.

Cheers,
James
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Yeah they didn't seem to pay much attention.

I've now tested an RM3-based piano (CA93), and it does NOT emulate double-escapement. I assume the MP10 will be the same.

I measured the total key travel at 11m, and the damping point at 5mm/45% release.

Greg.

Greg, thank you for providing this information.

May I ask to what extent these findings influenced your playing enjoyment? What were your overall impressions of the 'RM3 Grand' action, and indeed, the CA93?

Cheers,
James
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James,
I'm sorry, but I only did that one test. I told the salesman that I only wanted to do a very quick test, so that's what I did.

Greg.

Okay, fair enough.

Cheers,
James
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