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Fingers Exercises: Berens, Brahms, Czerny or Heller studies? #1522185
09/24/10 11:03 PM
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Hi,
I'm a beginner and really need to train my fingers. Which book/music-sheet do you use for exercise?
Btw, sorry for my english.

Thanks.


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Re: Fingers Exercises: Berens, Brahms, Czerny or Heller studies? [Re: Una Bicicleta] #1522188
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Hello, One Bicycle!
I recomend the Hanon excercise books all the way.


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Re: Fingers Exercises: Berens, Brahms, Czerny or Heller studies? [Re: Una Bicicleta] #1522189
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I recomend the Hanon books.


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Re: Fingers Exercises: Berens, Brahms, Czerny or Heller studies? [Re: Una Bicicleta] #1522204
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If you do them the way Hanon suggests they'll damage you. There's far better stuff out there. Brahms is good - always do them with an ear for the music though.

Re: Fingers Exercises: Berens, Brahms, Czerny or Heller studies? [Re: Una Bicicleta] #1522279
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Czerny is great for beginners and more advanced. Many knowledgeable people (like Franz Lizst) swear by it.

Re: Fingers Exercises: Berens, Brahms, Czerny or Heller stud [Re: chopin_r_us] #1522309
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Hanon is very good, but do not do it the way the old reproductions of the book describes, which is to lift the fingers high, and go fast.

Instead, modern thinking is to not lift the fingers high, but rather not lift them above the keypad. Also, start slowly, and make sure your hand and fingers are relaxed.

Beginners use Hanon to develop technique, and more advanced players use it as a warm-up.

Rachmaninoff used Hanon all the time.


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Re: Fingers Exercises: Berens, Brahms, Czerny or Heller stud [Re: Una Bicicleta] #1522352
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My teacher has me on a Hanon and Czerny diet. Hanon for technical ideas like hand position ("no twisting your hand, Andy!"), smoothness, relaxation and partly warming up. Czerny for more phrasing and other ideas that can be learned easier with small studies. I enjoy both of them and they are a great way to start my piano practice each day.


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Re: Fingers Exercises: Berens, Brahms, Czerny or Heller stud [Re: Una Bicicleta] #1522372
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<<I'm a beginner and really need to train my fingers. Which book/music-sheet do you use for exercise?>>

Are you doing scales and arpeggios? If not then prioritise these ahead of hanon/czerny.

Re: Fingers Exercises: Berens, Brahms, Czerny or Heller stud [Re: EJR] #1522396
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Hanon books also include scales and arpeggios, and other exercises, because all are valuable.


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Re: Fingers Exercises: Berens, Brahms, Czerny or Heller stud [Re: Una Bicicleta] #1522412
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Thank you all for your recommendations....!

I tried Hanon and Brahm exercises.

to chopin_r_us :
Originally Posted by chopin_r_us
If you do them the way Hanon suggests they'll damage you.....

Yup... damaging my eardrum grin

I guess as a beginner, whether I use Hanon, Brahm or Czerny exercises, I should be careful about finger exercising and not rushing it.


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Re: Fingers Exercises: Berens, Brahms, Czerny or Heller stud [Re: EJR] #1522448
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Originally Posted by EJR
Are you doing scales and arpeggios? If not then prioritise these ahead of hanon/czerny.

I start to learn Piano two weeks ago and now I can play several Schumanns songs from 'Album for the Young' e.g First Loss, Merry Farmer and Humming, although sometimes I make some mistake by pressing the keyboard with wrong finger. (I used to play guitar and I'm touch typist).

I realized, song like Marriage D'Amour (Richard Clayderman) or River Flows in You (Yiruma), need finger dexterity to play it well, and I don't have enough dexterity in 4th and 5th finger.

Thank you. I will try yours and the other suggestions.
Wish me luck...!


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Re: Fingers Exercises: Berens, Brahms, Czerny or Heller stud [Re: Una Bicicleta] #1522682
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I am using Hanon exercises, I will definitely look at Czerny.

Re: Fingers Exercises: Berens, Brahms, Czerny or Heller stud [Re: Una Bicicleta] #1522825
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Hanon - The Virtuoso Pianist
Brahms - 51 Exercises

but which Czerny book for beginner?
- 110 Easy and Progressive Exercises, op 453
- Practical Finger Exercises Op.802
- Preliminary School of Finger Dexterity, op 636
- The Art of Finger Dexterity, op 740
or
- The Little Pianist, op 823 ??


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Re: Fingers Exercises: Berens, Brahms, Czerny or Heller stud [Re: Una Bicicleta] #1522895
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Probably Op.599 (Czerny's "First Instructor")...



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Re: Fingers Exercises: Berens, Brahms, Czerny or Heller stud [Re: ChopinAddict] #1522987
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Originally Posted by ChopinAddict
Probably Op.599 (Czerny's "First Instructor")...

Thank you so much, downloading this book now
Czerny Op.599 - Practical Method for Beginners on the Pianoforte


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Re: Fingers Exercises: Berens, Brahms, Czerny or Heller stud [Re: Una Bicicleta] #1523383
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