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#1516453 - 09/16/10 09:40 AM Re: NO SOLICITATION! [Re: Stanny]  
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This thread needs to be removed. I doubt Pianoworld.com was intended to be a forum to belittle other's religious beliefs and how there is a lack of intelligence in associating with certain groups.

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#1516469 - 09/16/10 10:17 AM Re: NO SOLICITATION! [Re: Stanny]  
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If, d4v3, these groups have made a specialty of being a pest species, their own actions have exposed them to criticism.

It is hardly your business to tell pianoworld members what they can and can't say.


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#1516473 - 09/16/10 10:29 AM Re: NO SOLICITATION! [Re: Stanny]  
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GONE FISHING.

Please do not feed the WILD ANIMALS.

#1516474 - 09/16/10 10:30 AM Re: NO SOLICITATION! [Re: Jeff Clef]  
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Originally Posted by Jeff Clef
If, d4v3, these groups have made a specialty of being a pest species, their own actions have exposed them to criticism.

It is hardly your business to tell pianoworld members what they can and can't say.


Excuse me sir... but you need to go back and read the rules and disclaimers for this site.

"You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this BB to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law."

I took the liberty to bold the words that most of these posts on JWs exemplify. Im sorry if you thought this site was free to spew hate speech of others you disagree with, or ones that you seem to think deserve it.

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#1516485 - 09/16/10 10:51 AM Re: NO SOLICITATION! [Re: ProdigalPianist]  
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I don't think anyone was intending to offend anyone.

The poster that said:

Originally Posted by ProdigalPianist

*FWIW, In defense of David_A it is true that the JW Organization strongly discourages more than the minimum of education legally required. Critical thinkers generally do not last long as a member of the group. I would not say they were dumber than the average resident of the area where we lived at the time, but they definitely mock "intellectuals" (of course, a lot of religious groups do that back there).


was and has been affiliated with that group. He is stating what he learned there. That is no different than throwing a blanket statement out there like: Catholics teach against birth control, or Muslims must pray 5 times a day.

I like to read all these opinions, I learn from them. Opinions are not always right, nor are they always wrong. They are opinions and in America we have freedom of speech. It is the best way to learn and from that form our own opinions. Which of course will make someone else mad and/or offended if we dare speak them.


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#1516512 - 09/16/10 11:47 AM Re: NO SOLICITATION! [Re: Ebony and Ivory]  
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Originally Posted by Ebony and Ivory
I don't think anyone was intending to offend anyone.

Originally Posted by ProdigalPianist

*FWIW, In defense of David_A it is true that the JW Organization strongly discourages more than the minimum of education legally required.

Originally Posted by david_a

Nearly every person involved in a door-to-door religion is also of quite limited intelligence

There's a big difference between saying that a group discourages education and that people of that group are of limited intelligence! The latter is absolutely offensive.

Originally Posted by Ebony and Ivory
[...] He is stating what he learned there. That is no different than throwing a blanket statement out there like: Catholics teach against birth control, or Muslims must pray 5 times a day.

BTW (and OT), Catholic teaching is against artificial methods of birth control. NFP is accepted and encouraged.


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#1516542 - 09/16/10 12:46 PM Re: NO SOLICITATION! [Re: MaryBee]  
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Originally Posted by MaryBee
There's a big difference between saying that a group discourages education and that people of that group are of limited intelligence! The latter is absolutely offensive.

So is people showing up at your door trying to sell their religion. Talk about annoying - not to mention arrogant.


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#1516559 - 09/16/10 01:12 PM Re: NO SOLICITATION! [Re: eweiss]  
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I'm not sure what your point is. That because something is annoying, it's okay to write stuff like that here? Tell them to go away; you're not interested. Just like the forum rules say we're not interested in seeing offensive posts on this site.

BTW, I have a sign posted on my front door "Absolutely NO SOLICITING of any kind". And at the side door: "No soliciting at this door either". smile


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#1516596 - 09/16/10 02:08 PM Re: NO SOLICITATION! [Re: Stanny]  
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I have clearly made a statement that was too broad, too general, and too likely to offend people. I am certainly willing to retract, modify, delete, or whatever people would like me to do with the offensive post. If a moderator wishes to delete my post or cut out parts of it, they are most welcome to do so.


Note: I have tried myself to delete the offensive material, but the user-editable time period has apparently expired for those posts. Please, moderators, step in and do whatever is appropriate.

Last edited by david_a; 09/16/10 02:23 PM. Reason: Added note of clarification
#1517213 - 09/17/10 12:13 PM Re: NO SOLICITATION! [Re: Stanny]  
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How about a sign saying:

'No callers, unless by prior appointment'


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#1517352 - 09/17/10 03:52 PM Re: NO SOLICITATION! [Re: Stanny]  
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Thanks, Rob. I might use something like that, and then underneath "Piano Lessons in Progress".


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#1517624 - 09/18/10 12:05 AM Re: NO SOLICITATION! [Re: Stanny]  
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My mother has always had 2 signs outside her front door and one just inside.

Outside: No Solicitors
No Proselytizing

Inside: No Smoking


#1517631 - 09/18/10 12:43 AM Re: NO SOLICITATION! [Re: Stanny]  
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I would suggest the following note on the door (a bit long but might do the trick):

"1. I'm an atheist
2. A believer of evil in all forms
3. Extremely poor
4. With high holysterol
5. And hate cleaning

If you still want to knock/ring the door, I'll invite you in and any consequences are on you!"

Or even better, just wear a prizon outfit, take some pics and hang them outside the door: "Last unsolicited call person was lost for 8 months. Trying to top that. Please come in... please do..."

On a more serious note:

In all honesty in Greece none of this is happening (nor in England actually). Once a year a priest will go around all homes to 'bless the homes' or something. I kindly decline, since... oh well... because... just because.

But I do remember someone when I was in my studio (personal studio, not teaching). The guy rings the downstair door:

"-Hello... is that Nikolas?
- hem... yes. What can I do for you?
- You remember me? I'm a friend of Mitsos, the taxi driver... You're a musician, aren't you?
(surprise... he knows what I do. He must know me)
- Yes... come in. What do you want?
- I'm selling this lovely fish for 60$ (around 3 kilos). blah blah blah...
- Hem... no thank. Bye, bye...

Then it hit me that my name and information is outside the studio, in a small-ish sign, it was very obvious that he got the information from there and thought he could scam me. Good thing I don't really like fish.

(true story)

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