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#1514500 - 09/13/10 06:48 PM NO SOLICITATION!  
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UGH!

Nearly every day last week, I've had at least one lesson per day interrupted by someone trying to sell something or to ask me to vote for someone. I need a sign for the door, evidently, that says do not disturb, lessons in progress. Does anyone have anything clever I can use?


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#1514505 - 09/13/10 07:01 PM Re: NO SOLICITATION! [Re: Stanny]  
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Just get a "no soliciting' sign. But that won't stop most Jehovah's Witnesses. smile


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#1514514 - 09/13/10 07:11 PM Re: NO SOLICITATION! [Re: Stanny]  
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get a camera and keep a small lcd by the piano, if you don't recognize the person, ignore them. this along with some type of sign.

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A no solicitors sign should do it for most of them, kids don't usually pay attention to it though, you're stuck buying cookies lol. As far as the JW, I called the city once about it because they are such a nuisance and they told me that after you tell them not to come back one time and they do come back, you can charge them with trespassing. I told them that, and they haven't been back since smile


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#1514565 - 09/13/10 08:22 PM Re: NO SOLICITATION! [Re: Stanny]  
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Many of the door-to-door religious people feel themselves under very great social & moral pressure to make their visits. Nearly every person involved in a door-to-door religion is also of quite limited intelligence, but in general they are not bad people and they don't truly want to hurt or bother anyone when it's pointed out to them. Talking directly to these people and explaining the situation, i.e. you don't want them to come back, is probably the best solution.

A sign saying lessons are in progress means to them "I'm busy just now, but please come back later." You'll need to actually talk to them, once, to get your point across.

#1514581 - 09/13/10 08:54 PM Re: NO SOLICITATION! [Re: Stanny]  
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Stanny,
I don't have a clever answer for these solicitors. But your post reminds me of a recent situation. I was teaching an afternoon lesson, and the doorbell rang. I asked the 10 year old student if he saw anyone come to the door (since my back was to the window, but he had an easy view out the window). He said he thought it was "a man with a backpack". It sounded creepy to me and I didn't answer the door.

The caller rang 3 or 4 times, and we ignored it. (My studio is in the front of the house so it was obvious that we were ignoring the caller.) Later I had a phone call and it turns out my dog had gotten out and a neighbor had come by to return him to me. LOL!

So my plan to just ignore the doorbell isn't always the best solution either.

Too bad we end up stuck in the house pretending we're not home. That happened on Sunday. I got in from a walk and saw the nicely dressed young couples (Bible in hand I presumed) making their rounds of the neighborhood. I got in and wanted to start my practice, yet felt I needed to hide out and wait until they passed. I ended up getting my husband to answer the door--as he has an easier time of just saying "No thanks" and closing the door.

#1514584 - 09/13/10 09:00 PM Re: NO SOLICITATION! [Re: Stanny]  
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So I guess this wouldn't do the trick? ;-)
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It's not really so much the bible thumpers. It's people wanting me to buy things. All the school fund raisers have started. They can look right through the front door window and see me teaching. I could use "Lessons in progress, do not disturb." What I want to say is "If I did not specifically invite you to my home today, DO NOT ring the doorbell. Turn around and LEAVE."

I even got woken up from a VERY rare Sunday afternoon nap last weekend. GRRR!




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#1514647 - 09/13/10 11:16 PM Re: NO SOLICITATION! [Re: Stanny]  
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#1514792 - 09/14/10 08:47 AM Re: NO SOLICITATION! [Re: Stanny]  
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That reminds me. My son has a sign on his bedroom door that says:
WARNING: No Trespassers
Trespassers will be shot
Survivors will be shot again

Could sustitute the word SOLICITORS for Trespassers.
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#1514805 - 09/14/10 09:17 AM Re: NO SOLICITATION! [Re: david_a]  
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Originally Posted by david_a
Many of the door-to-door religious people feel themselves under very great social & moral pressure to make their visits. Nearly every person involved in a door-to-door religion is also of quite limited intelligence, but in general they are not bad people and they don't truly want to hurt or bother anyone when it's pointed out to them. Talking directly to these people and explaining the situation, i.e. you don't want them to come back, is probably the best solution.

A sign saying lessons are in progress means to them "I'm busy just now, but please come back later." You'll need to actually talk to them, once, to get your point across.


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#1514820 - 09/14/10 09:57 AM Re: NO SOLICITATION! [Re: Stanny]  
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D4v3 I agree.. that is quite a prejudice remark. I know quite a few JWs, and quite a lot with a high level of intelligence! (One who did post grad studies in mathematics and another who is working as a solicitor!) :P

btw Stanny JWs don't believe that Jesus died on a cross so I dont think that sign seems to be aimed at them.

They are interesting to listen to, even if you don't agree, ... I've had quite a few interesting conversations with them!

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The Last time the Witnesses came to see me I started talking to them about His Imperial Majesty, Emperor Haile Selassie I, King of Kings, Almighty Jah, The One True Living God. They looked at me like I was nuts, backed away slowly and have yet to return.


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#1514864 - 09/14/10 11:19 AM Re: NO SOLICITATION! [Re: Stanny]  
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While I am not a JW, I am thinking to myself, is this thread really devolving into these types of comments? From "no soliciting" to tips on how to scare away religious door to door people which are insulting?


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#1514892 - 09/14/10 12:16 PM Re: NO SOLICITATION! [Re: Stanny]  
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In my neck of the woods the #1 door to door types are environmentalists looking for people to sign petitions/donate to their cause. Second is local kids primarily selling coupon books for school/sports. We see JW maybe every couple of years. Personally I don't mind the JW and overall they seem to be better equipped to "stray from the script" than the youngsters the environmental groups send out. Nothing like seeing the smoke come out their ears when you start to go into the issues in depth vs the superficial training they seem to get. Overall though, most everyone tends to be polite and when we say "no", they generally say "thank you" and move on.

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You hand paint a sign in all capital letters: "TRESPASSERS WILL BE VIOLATED".

OK, maybe not appropriate for a business that works closely with families, but it would certainly keep solicitors away. wink


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#1514923 - 09/14/10 01:14 PM Re: NO SOLICITATION! [Re: D4v3]  
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Originally Posted by D4v3
Originally Posted by david_a
Many of the door-to-door religious people feel themselves under very great social & moral pressure to make their visits. Nearly every person involved in a door-to-door religion is also of quite limited intelligence, but in general they are not bad people and they don't truly want to hurt or bother anyone when it's pointed out to them. Talking directly to these people and explaining the situation, i.e. you don't want them to come back, is probably the best solution.

A sign saying lessons are in progress means to them "I'm busy just now, but please come back later." You'll need to actually talk to them, once, to get your point across.


Why did I think your a bigot when I read this?


I caught that too. +1

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I apologize for sounding harsh. In the area where I live, it is the plain and simple truth. I am not bigoted - I've been living and working with people in door-to-door religions for quite some time, including my former boss and my next-door neighbor. They are in general nice people and I enjoy their company. If things have worked out better in the places where you all live, that's good news and I'm glad to hear it.

#1514973 - 09/14/10 02:06 PM Re: NO SOLICITATION! [Re: Stanny]  
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Perhaps a simple sign on your door that says "Lessons in progress. Please do not disturb unless it is an emergency. Thank you."

In our subdivision, the entrance sign says "no soliciting." That cuts down on everyone except the children selling things and the foreigners who say, "but I have a license to do this."

[When I opened this thread, I was expecting a rant about students selling things. I'm getting quite frustrated over the number of students who want me to buy their cookies, wrapping paper, magazines, etc, for school, soccer, etc. And they look so hurt when I say no. However, last week a parent came by selling cookie dough, and asked me to pick out my favorite. Her son has to sell 10, so she's buying all ten, and using them as teacher presents this Christmas!]


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Originally Posted by Lollipop


[When I opened this thread, I was expecting a rant about students selling things. I'm getting quite frustrated over the number of students who want me to buy their cookies, wrapping paper, magazines, etc, for school, soccer, etc. And they look so hurt when I say no. However, last week a parent came by selling cookie dough, and asked me to pick out my favorite. Her son has to sell 10, so she's buying all ten, and using them as teacher presents this Christmas!]


That's a nice idea for your student to do! I only have one or two per year that sell me stuff, and I don't mind supporting them in what they're trying to do. I remember as a child hating to have to do those fund raisers. As long as it doens't get out of hand (which it hasn't thus far) then I can continue to support them.


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Originally Posted by Lollipop
When I opened this thread, I was expecting a rant about students selling things. I'm getting quite frustrated over the number of students who want me to buy their cookies, wrapping paper, magazines, etc, for school, soccer, etc. And they look so hurt when I say no. However, last week a parent came by selling cookie dough, and asked me to pick out my favorite. Her son has to sell 10, so she's buying all ten, and using them as teacher presents this Christmas!

This is why you need an annual enrollment fee - to cover these small, miscellaneous expenses. Then you can gladly, wholeheartedly, support your student's fund raising efforts. It's really the parents, but only you know that!


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I have had pretty good luck with telling Witnesses, "Thank you, but no."

Just because the doorbell or phone rings does not mean we have to answer it. No answer at the door conveys its own message.

Most of the door-to-door 'school fundraising' visits from strangers have sounded like scams to me, and the answer is, "No." But when my neighbor's kid does this once or twice a year, I buy out his stock... and give the candy bars or cookie dough away. Let someone else get fat; I've done my part.

BTW, this young school-age lad (with his mom along) is usually raising money to keep the music program alive at his school. We all know these programs have been de-funded; this is one cause I find all-too-believable.

I did not think the reply to the OP sounded like bigotry as much as annoyance... being acquainted with both, I do see a difference. However, being both patient and civil helps with both cases.


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The JW's knocked on my door once and left a pamphlet. The secomd time, they just passed by my door - and I have no idea why. I felt left out. smile


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eweiss they could have possibly be doing other areas that day or following up on interest. I agree Jeff Clef, a "thank you I'm not interested works very well.

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In my experience, specifically asking the religious proselytizers not to come back has been an essential part of getting them to in fact not come back. Simply saying "Thank you, I'm not interested" has several times been interpreted as "Thank you, I'm not interested at the moment but please do come and see me again another time". After very kindly informing them that I wasn't interested and would they please not come back, I haven't had any knocks on the door for that reason in at least three years.

Going door to door for one's religion can't be easy. I'm sure there must be a lot of responses that are outright hostile, and I don't think they deserve that. They're just trying to do what's required of them.

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The crack about religion and intelligence reminded me of a classic Bob Newhart gag:

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OMGosh it happened again!

This time it was a young adult with a bunch of cleaning supplies (looked like she was selling). She saw me through the window as I waved her away, but she kept standing there ringing. Then she started whistling.

I asked her to leave. Nicely.

I went back to teaching and she stayed there knocking at the door!!! I went back out with my camera phone and said "I'm taking your picture to send to the police if you do not leave." She muttered, cussed under her breath and left.

GRRR!


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#1515983 - 09/15/10 05:32 PM Re: NO SOLICITATION! [Re: Stanny]  
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Wow! You seem to have had quite a few bad ones there lately.

I hope your luck with "visitors" improves.


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Originally Posted by Stanny

I asked her to leave. Nicely.

I went back to teaching and she stayed there knocking at the door!!!


Seriously??? That is the epitome of rudeness. Wow.

Just curious, DO you have a No Solicitors sign?


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I just added one this afternoon. Just handwritten, but hopefully it will do the trick.


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If you really want to end the JW visits, I used to be one (full time)* and I can tell you how. Telling them 'no thank you' will not discourage them from returning. Putting up signs about lessons in progress probably will not either, as from their point of view, the information they are trying to give you is the most important thing in the universe.

If you want to stop their visits (more or less) permanently, tell them "Please put this house on you Do Not Call list." (use that exact phrase). If you Really want to be sure, find out what the address of your local congregation is, and mail them a letter to that effect. In that letter, it helps to specifically say you do NOT want them calling on you periodically (ie-yearly) to see if you still want to be a Do Not Call (or they do that).

*FWIW, In defense of David_A it is true that the JW Organization strongly discourages more than the minimum of education legally required. Critical thinkers generally do not last long as a member of the group. I would not say they were dumber than the average resident of the area where we lived at the time, but they definitely mock "intellectuals" (of course, a lot of religious groups do that back there).


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#1516453 - 09/16/10 09:40 AM Re: NO SOLICITATION! [Re: Stanny]  
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This thread needs to be removed. I doubt Pianoworld.com was intended to be a forum to belittle other's religious beliefs and how there is a lack of intelligence in associating with certain groups.

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If, d4v3, these groups have made a specialty of being a pest species, their own actions have exposed them to criticism.

It is hardly your business to tell pianoworld members what they can and can't say.


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Originally Posted by Jeff Clef
If, d4v3, these groups have made a specialty of being a pest species, their own actions have exposed them to criticism.

It is hardly your business to tell pianoworld members what they can and can't say.


Excuse me sir... but you need to go back and read the rules and disclaimers for this site.

"You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this BB to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law."

I took the liberty to bold the words that most of these posts on JWs exemplify. Im sorry if you thought this site was free to spew hate speech of others you disagree with, or ones that you seem to think deserve it.

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I don't think anyone was intending to offend anyone.

The poster that said:

Originally Posted by ProdigalPianist

*FWIW, In defense of David_A it is true that the JW Organization strongly discourages more than the minimum of education legally required. Critical thinkers generally do not last long as a member of the group. I would not say they were dumber than the average resident of the area where we lived at the time, but they definitely mock "intellectuals" (of course, a lot of religious groups do that back there).


was and has been affiliated with that group. He is stating what he learned there. That is no different than throwing a blanket statement out there like: Catholics teach against birth control, or Muslims must pray 5 times a day.

I like to read all these opinions, I learn from them. Opinions are not always right, nor are they always wrong. They are opinions and in America we have freedom of speech. It is the best way to learn and from that form our own opinions. Which of course will make someone else mad and/or offended if we dare speak them.


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#1516512 - 09/16/10 11:47 AM Re: NO SOLICITATION! [Re: Ebony and Ivory]  
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Originally Posted by Ebony and Ivory
I don't think anyone was intending to offend anyone.

Originally Posted by ProdigalPianist

*FWIW, In defense of David_A it is true that the JW Organization strongly discourages more than the minimum of education legally required.

Originally Posted by david_a

Nearly every person involved in a door-to-door religion is also of quite limited intelligence

There's a big difference between saying that a group discourages education and that people of that group are of limited intelligence! The latter is absolutely offensive.

Originally Posted by Ebony and Ivory
[...] He is stating what he learned there. That is no different than throwing a blanket statement out there like: Catholics teach against birth control, or Muslims must pray 5 times a day.

BTW (and OT), Catholic teaching is against artificial methods of birth control. NFP is accepted and encouraged.


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#1516542 - 09/16/10 12:46 PM Re: NO SOLICITATION! [Re: MaryBee]  
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Originally Posted by MaryBee
There's a big difference between saying that a group discourages education and that people of that group are of limited intelligence! The latter is absolutely offensive.

So is people showing up at your door trying to sell their religion. Talk about annoying - not to mention arrogant.


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#1516559 - 09/16/10 01:12 PM Re: NO SOLICITATION! [Re: eweiss]  
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I'm not sure what your point is. That because something is annoying, it's okay to write stuff like that here? Tell them to go away; you're not interested. Just like the forum rules say we're not interested in seeing offensive posts on this site.

BTW, I have a sign posted on my front door "Absolutely NO SOLICITING of any kind". And at the side door: "No soliciting at this door either". smile


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#1516596 - 09/16/10 02:08 PM Re: NO SOLICITATION! [Re: Stanny]  
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I have clearly made a statement that was too broad, too general, and too likely to offend people. I am certainly willing to retract, modify, delete, or whatever people would like me to do with the offensive post. If a moderator wishes to delete my post or cut out parts of it, they are most welcome to do so.


Note: I have tried myself to delete the offensive material, but the user-editable time period has apparently expired for those posts. Please, moderators, step in and do whatever is appropriate.

Last edited by david_a; 09/16/10 02:23 PM. Reason: Added note of clarification
#1517213 - 09/17/10 12:13 PM Re: NO SOLICITATION! [Re: Stanny]  
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How about a sign saying:

'No callers, unless by prior appointment'


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Thanks, Rob. I might use something like that, and then underneath "Piano Lessons in Progress".


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#1517624 - 09/18/10 12:05 AM Re: NO SOLICITATION! [Re: Stanny]  
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My mother has always had 2 signs outside her front door and one just inside.

Outside: No Solicitors
No Proselytizing

Inside: No Smoking


#1517631 - 09/18/10 12:43 AM Re: NO SOLICITATION! [Re: Stanny]  
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I would suggest the following note on the door (a bit long but might do the trick):

"1. I'm an atheist
2. A believer of evil in all forms
3. Extremely poor
4. With high holysterol
5. And hate cleaning

If you still want to knock/ring the door, I'll invite you in and any consequences are on you!"

Or even better, just wear a prizon outfit, take some pics and hang them outside the door: "Last unsolicited call person was lost for 8 months. Trying to top that. Please come in... please do..."

On a more serious note:

In all honesty in Greece none of this is happening (nor in England actually). Once a year a priest will go around all homes to 'bless the homes' or something. I kindly decline, since... oh well... because... just because.

But I do remember someone when I was in my studio (personal studio, not teaching). The guy rings the downstair door:

"-Hello... is that Nikolas?
- hem... yes. What can I do for you?
- You remember me? I'm a friend of Mitsos, the taxi driver... You're a musician, aren't you?
(surprise... he knows what I do. He must know me)
- Yes... come in. What do you want?
- I'm selling this lovely fish for 60$ (around 3 kilos). blah blah blah...
- Hem... no thank. Bye, bye...

Then it hit me that my name and information is outside the studio, in a small-ish sign, it was very obvious that he got the information from there and thought he could scam me. Good thing I don't really like fish.

(true story)

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