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Can a good piece of music sound bad as a midi file?
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Is there a chance of a piano piece sounding bad and boring on a computer as a midi file, but when you play it back on a regular piano, it sounds good?


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Originally Posted by Claude56
Is there a chance of a piano piece sounding bad and boring on a computer as a midi file, but when you play it back on a regular piano, it sounds good?



Absolutely! If you can call a digital piano "regular". MIDI files can't be played on acoustic pianos. laugh

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It would probably depend on the performer. A good performer can do wonders for a piece.


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What if a piece sounds too repetitive? Can a piece that is too repetitive sound bad as a midi file, but good on a regular piano?

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Good music sounds bad with midis. That's why I don't bother with midis and I just try to play things myself. Midis don't distinquish each layer from eachother therefore it's equivalent to just banging out the piece. The right interpretation can completely change the effect of a piece.

Repetition isn't really a matter of sound and clarity as much as it's the audience's opinion. But generally everything sounds better on a real piano. There's something about the imperfections of human tempo that bring music to life.

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If it hasn't been 'quantised', it can sometimes sound ok, depending on the performance, and the quality of the MIDI module.

Once quantised, it ceases to be music, IMO.


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Well.. I don't know about pieces, but I've actually nick-named a few pianists "the midi files"............



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I think the question should be reworded : "Can any piece of music sound good as a MIDI file?"

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If you ceate the midi file by recording your perfromance on a DP, and then play the file back to the DP, it will sound exactly the same as you played it.

The problem is that when you send a midi file to someone, the audio quality will depend on their sound card and computer speakers.

The tone generator in most sound cards will not generate reprodutions of the piano sound as good as a digital piano.

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One thing that oftens sounds terrible in midi is trills.

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Originally Posted by Claude56
Is there a chance of a piano piece sounding bad and boring on a computer as a midi file, but when you play it back on a regular piano, it sounds good?



A piano piece CAN sound wonderful on a PC as a 'midi' file and then sound rubbish on an acoustic because the pianist isn't up to it. My Disklavier (an acoustic) isn't too bad at 'playing it back', likewise my Clavinova. But there are so many variables.

Who is the 'you'? Where are you sourcing the midi file? If I scan a piece of music in and have my PC convert it to midi then obviously it will sound mechanical and the dynamics will be non-existent. If I download a midi file from a Disklavier web site recorded by a concert pianist then it doesn't sound half bad played back on both the PC and Disklavier.

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It depends on the piano sound being used to play it back and the way the MIDI file is created (recorded from a DP/midi keyboard or drawn note by note.... or maybe someone could be crazy enough to create a MIDI file in such detail that it appears to be a naturally played on a DP).
Anyway good music can be made with 8-bit Nintendo sounds.

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It is possible to program very realistic performances in MIDI if one takes the time and has a suitable sound set. In fact a lot of movie scores are done this way.

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Originally Posted by Studio Joe
If you ceate the midi file by recording your perfromance on a DP, and then play the file back to the DP, it will sound exactly the same as you played it.

The problem is that when you send a midi file to someone, the audio quality will depend on their sound card and computer speakers.

The tone generator in most sound cards will not generate reprodutions of the piano sound as good as a digital piano.


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Originally Posted by BruceD
I think the question should be reworded : "Can any piece of music sound good as a MIDI file?"

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The answer to that question would be no, since midi files don't make noise. laugh


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